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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Make English the official language then bitch about it. Until it is the official language deal with it and stop whining about whatever language someone speaks.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    For a society to thrive, it must be able to communicate within itself. This stats with a shared language, and culture.
    Not true.

    There are countless multi-lingual countries that thrive just fine.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Not true.

    There are countless multi-lingual countries that thrive just fine.
    Switzerland, for one
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    How about this. If we are going to give a rat's ass about someone's opinion before a government committee, it will be spoken directly in English, unless voted otherwise.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    Switzerland, for one
    Fo' sho. I don't know how we're doing so well when we have no idea what the people in the next canton are talking about.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    How about this. If we are going to give a rat's ass about someone's opinion before a government committee, it will be spoken directly in English, unless voted otherwise.
    Why do you want to put translators out of work? Isn't your unemployment rate high enough as it is?
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    How about this. If we are going to give a rat's ass about someone's opinion before a government committee, it will be spoken directly in English, unless voted otherwise.
    This thread is so ****ing full of "populism over pragmatism."

    Have fun trying to understand broken English and thick accents.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    What precisely are "US values?" Do such values even exist? It's a free country, by the way. People are free to practice whatever and values and lifestyles they wish to (and THAT, in my opinion is the essence of what America is supposed to be), as long as they don't break the law. If you want everyone to speak English, then I suggest you campaign for legislation that would make English the official language of the United States.
    There is a thing as American values, but aside from the fact I wouldn't want to type a long list..you can see it as somewhat anti-statist, individualistic, hard-working, religious, patriotic, and utilitarian. Now aside from that, there is this from Emerson about America: "..asylum of all nations, the energy of Irish, Germans, Swedes, Poles & cossacks, & all the European tribes-of the Africans, & of the Polynesians, will construct a new race...as vigorous as the new Europe which came out of the smelting pot of the Dark Ages.."

    Or John Q. Adams: "They must cast off the European skin, never to resume it. They must look forward to their posterity rather than backward to their ancestors."

    But you could just as easily put in Tocqueville, couldn't you?:
    "A society formed of all the nations of the world....people having different languages, beliefs, opinions: in a word, a society without roots, without memories, without prejudices, without routines, without common ideas, without a national character, yet a hundred times happier than our own."

    "How does it happen that in the United States, where the inhabitants have only recently immigrated to the land which they now occupy, and brought neither customs nor traditions with them there; where they met one another for the first time with no previous acquaintance; where, in short, the instinctive love of country can scarcely exist; how does it happen that every one takes as zealous an interest in the affairs of his township, his country, and the whole state as if they were his own? It is because everyone in his sphere, takes an active part in the government of society."
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    I have no problem believing it. I was an expat brat most of my childhood, my whole teens and part of my adulthood. I've seen people not even bother to learn the local language no matter hjow long they'd been in the country. My mother has many Swiss, German and Dutch neighbors in Spain who have been living there for 10 to 15 years who don't speak a word of Spanish. I know countless Americans and British expats who live here in Switzerland and speak none of the local languages. Again many of them have been here over 10 years.

    The thing is, if people can get by without learning the language and can function reasonably well without it, they simply won't learn it.
    Excellent point.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Horrible. One of the things I love about the different countries I have lived in over the years is the chance to immerse myself in the language and learn it and the culture that it is a part of...
    I think that's great, and personally I think that if you DO live in a foreign country, one should take full advantage of that opportunity and immerse themselves in the local culture. But, however lamentable the fact that some people don't do the above, I wouldn't be angry at them if they made such a choice.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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