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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    This is not a point. This is something I agree with and have never contradicted, so....
    You've been contradicting it every time you try to call any of us on our response.

    P.S.: Me understanding the Senator's point does not equal "And I feel insulted too!! eleventy11!!"

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    You've been contradicting it every time you try to call any of us on our response.
    Please BDBoop, show me when I claim people don't have a right to have an opinion. Criticizing your opinion is not the same thing as saying "you can't say that". Why is it that when people get their opinion criticized, someone always pulls out the "but I have a right to speak" strawman?

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    P.S.: Me understanding the Senator's point does not equal "And I feel insulted too!! eleventy11!!"
    Great, do you have a response to this (repost) or are you still pretending that I've told you that you "can't" speak.

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    And that's you, simplifying it again. It wasn't because he was speaking Spanish. It was because he knows English.
    Then you're simplifying the point too.

    It's not just that he knows English - it's that he feels more comfortable speaking at an important event in his first language - an understandable situation.

    He spoke Spanish while knowing English because it made him comfortable. If you're insulted by that, you're choosing to be insulted.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Okay.

    And now I need to go get ready to play Frisbee with a friend's dog. Have a good one.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Okay.

    And now I need to go get ready to play Frisbee with a friend's dog. Have a good one.
    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    Please BDBoop, show me when I claim people don't have a right to have an opinion.
    I'll take that as an admission of complete BS. Thanks.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    At the request of the local Israel consulate, I have served as a Hebrew/English translator for US and Israeli officials. The main challenge encompasses conveying the correct nuance.

    I have a difficult time believing that anyone who has lived in a country for 23 years lacks the lingual capacity/dexterity to convey the requisite nuance.
    For the most part, I believe that proficiency in the English language on the part of immigrants more a function of choice, and perhaps mental acuity, than one of time spent in the country. For instance, both of my parents are immigrants to this country (from Taiwan). My dad has been here for about 26 years, my mother has been here slightly less, about 24. My mother's English is drastically better than my father's. I'm not sure why, but I suspect it also has something to do with the fact that my dad just doesn't know when his pronunciation really sucks so he doesn't know how to improve his English because he just resorts to the same bad pronunciations every time I try to correct him.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post

    BRAVO Senator, bravo.
    "Excuse me, did I hear that right, he's been here for 23 years?"
    Just, beautiful.
    I'm not really sure what you're getting at, but so what if he's been here 23 years. He is before a governmental committee hearing...his first language is Spanish and he is obviously more comfortable with that and wants to be clear.

    Of Course the Senator is a reupublican spewing typical xenophobic hate that we are used to coming from that party.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    For the most part, I believe that proficiency in the English language on the part of immigrants more a function of choice, and perhaps mental acuity, than one of time spent in the country. For instance, both of my parents are immigrants to this country (from Taiwan). My dad has been here for about 26 years, my mother has been here slightly less, about 24. My mother's English is drastically better than my father's. I'm not sure why, but I suspect it also has something to do with the fact that my dad just doesn't know when his pronunciation really sucks so he doesn't know how to improve his English because he just resorts to the same bad pronunciations every time I try to correct him.
    I do notice these sorts of differences as well. It may have something to do with retaining their native language. My grandmother and great uncle moved here a few years apart, but both around the age of 20. So they've been here for 60-65 years.

    My great uncle's English is nearly perfect. It sounds like he has a light local accent you just can't place, rather than a foreign accent. But his Italian is terrible now.

    My grandmother's English is still not great (though she does understand a lot better than she speaks). She can get across her point, but she has a very thick accent and limited vocabulary. But her Italian is still almost perfect.

    But at the end of the day, both of them learned English well enough to function.

    I wonder if there's a difference between your parents in terms of how well they've retained their native language?

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    I do notice these sorts of differences as well. It may have something to do with retaining their native language. My grandmother and great uncle moved here a few years apart, but both around the age of 20. So they've been here for 60-65 years.

    My great uncle's English is nearly perfect. It sounds like he has a light local accent you just can't place, rather than a foreign accent. But his Italian is terrible now.

    My grandmother's English is still not great (though she does understand a lot better than she speaks). She can get across her point, but she has a very thick accent and limited vocabulary. But her Italian is still almost perfect.

    But at the end of the day, both of them learned English well enough to function.

    I wonder if there's a difference between your parents in terms of how well they've retained their native language?
    Not really, we all speak Mandarin Chinese at home. My dad has a thick Taiwanese accent though, my mom not as much so I think that's an interesting difference. I'm not sure why that is either. I think if my dad had to testify in front of a legislative body, he would likely have to read a prepared statement if it were to be in English. But it would likely kill the audience to try and understand what he's saying.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Well, at least it wasn't Ozzy. No one could understand that man.
    Michael J Petrilli-"Is School Choice Enough?"-A response to the recent timidity of American conservatives toward education reform. https://nationalaffairs.com/publicat...-choice-enough

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