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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    I want a refund of my tax $$$$ for the time he wasted by making the senate panel (whom we pay) sit and listen to his translator.
    You're from Alabama. This happened in the Texas state Senate. Stop whining.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by theplaydrive View Post
    I didn't act like you brought up Florida out of left field - Florida applied to your general comment about the United States. Whether or not Florida has an official language has zero effect on the case in Texas that we're talking about where no such language exists.
    So we'd spent several exchanges talking about issues about the broader picture, trading links about the Census, Florida, etc, and not this specific case, and suddenly when I point out you're being intellectually dishonest none of it matters and you were talking about this specific case the whole time? Right.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    You're from Alabama. This happened in the Texas state Senate. Stop whining.
    thanks for missing the point. I happen to own property in Texas and therefore pay property taxes. and FWIW, I also own property in CA and MN in case you want to whine about those states as well
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    So we'd spent several exchanges talking about issues about the broader picture, trading links about the Census, Florida, etc,, and not this specific case, and suddenly when I point out you're being intellectually dishonest none of it matters and you were talking about this specific case the whole time? Right.
    That's not what I just said at all, but I can't say I'm surprised that you just made up an imaginary argument to talk about.

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    thanks for missing the point.
    I get the point you were trying to make, and it is not without merit. The way you tried to make it was stupid.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    if he's been here 23 years and hasn't been speaking english, then he is a dumbass
    Again, you oversimplify. He can speak English to some degree. But how often does he speak english compared to spanish. It is very possible he speaks more spanish than english, but can speak english when dealing with nonspanish speaking people. This is not difficult stuff. All you have to do is actually put some thought into it.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    I get the point you were trying to make, and it is not without merit. The way you tried to make it was stupid.
    see edit. I pay taxes to texas
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    see edit. I pay taxes to texas
    If you don't like it, build on English school for immigrants on your property

    Aren't property taxes used solely to fund education? Or am I off-base here.
    Last edited by StillBallin75; 06-17-11 at 02:46 PM.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
    - Colonel Paul Yingling

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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If they were born in the country, more than likely, they can speak english. If they are immigrating, make it a requirement. For the rest of the population, free classes at the local tech college, but its not a big deal as that generation will eventually die off and as long as we catch all of the inputs, we are good.
    Does the United States have an official national language?

    English Language Advocates reports that nearly 17 million Americans admit that they not do speak English very well, that the number of Americans who do not speak English has soared since the 1990 census, and that 18% of Americans do not speak English at home.
    The US is already spending 1.5 billion a year for language accommodation. That figure would have to go up greatly as these people would have to learn the language to the extent of reading and writing as well. The cost would be great.
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    Re: “Why Aren’t You Speaking English?”

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Laws will not help this situation. People will more and more have to deal with others that do not speak English and live with it. I personally see no problem with people speaking any language they want. People calling for a unified language at this point in time are fighting a losing battle.
    Not if the law is tied into citizenship. IE: you need a basic understanding. Also how do some of you feel about having to learn Spanish as a job prerequisite? Or to hold your present job? MY SO works for Johnson Controls & in their Wisconsin office folks are being told to hold their jobs they need to learn Spanish.
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