Iran's president calls for post-Soviet security alliance to unite in alliance against

Not being a diplomat I don't have a clear answer to the looming Iran problem but as a long time student of War and as I see it if we do nothing chances are we are going to be hit hard by What will be characterized as a terrorist act but it will be the opening shot of a wider War to come.

We need to keep a close watch on North Korea who was reported to be working on a compact Nuclear devise, and insure there is no shipments between these two renegade Countries.

It is also clear that any alliance of several former Soviet nations Iran and China to form a united front against the West is extremely problematic and would if it happens make any attack on Iran into a much wider War in minutes resulting in a Nuclear exchange.

It would also mean the Israel would be hit, if not by the other, but by Iran.

This is not good news by ant stretch.

Iran's president calls for post-Soviet security alliance to unite in alliance against West - Yahoo! News

By Peter Leonard, The Associated Press | The Canadian Press – Wed, 15 Jun, 2011

ASTANA, Kazakhstan - Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad called Wednesday for a security alliance of several former Soviet nations and China to form a united front against the West.

Ahmadinejad's address to fellow heads of state at the summit of the Shanghai Cooperation Organization in Kazakhstan will likely deepen suspicions that the bloc is intended as a counterweight to the United States across the region.

In a summit declaration signed by all the member states, the organization also attacked missile defence programs in another apparent dig at the United States.

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Pft. It's a pipe dream on his part.

China knows better than to join such an alliance, and the ex-Soviet nations have nothing of significance to contribute (besides hatred of Iranians). Besides, Iran isn't even a member of the SCO, which is where this speech was made. They were refused membership because of the UN sanctions against them.

That should tell you something about the SCO's opinion of Ahmadinejad.

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Jeezy said:

Pft. It's a pipe dream on his part.

China knows better than to join such an alliance, and the ex-Soviet nations have nothing of significance to contribute (besides hatred of Iranians). Besides, Iran isn't even a member of the SCO, which is where this speech was made. They were refused membership because of the UN sanctions against them.

That should tell you something about the SCO's opinion of Ahmadinejad.

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That's what people were saying in 1936, too.

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apdst said:

That's what people were saying in 1936, too.

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:scared:

We're dooooomed!

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Jeezy said:

Pft. It's a pipe dream on his part.

China knows better than to join such an alliance, and the ex-Soviet nations have nothing of significance to contribute (besides hatred of Iranians). Besides, Iran isn't even a member of the SCO, which is where this speech was made. They were refused membership because of the UN sanctions against them.

That should tell you something about the SCO's opinion of Ahmadinejad.

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I agree that China will not join such an alliance overtly, but they could very well sign on to help Iran covertly or even supply them with arms under the table.

China is building it's arms at an alarming rate and it's not for peaceful reasons in the end.

I don't think they would risk killing the golden goose that is footing the bill for their military build up, and that is us through trade and what we owe them.

We needn't panic or over react but when this kind of thing comes up you need to have contingency plans ready to go.

It's like with most things: It's better to have more than you need, than to need more than you have and goes for panning as well.

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I knew this would come about and called it long ago. Iran is joining forces with Russia and China to attack Israel.

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That's what people were saying in 1936, too.

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Yeah, Iran is drawing up invasion plans for Poland as we speak....

In reality Iran is simply frightened and seeking protection. A country thats has already overthrown one government has invaded and occupied their neighbors on both flanks. I would say that their fears are unjustified, but they are a hell of a lot less paranoid that the people in this thread making ridiculous WW2 comparisons.

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Ahmadinejad is just saber-rattling to make trouble for his political rivals. He'll be cleaning out his desk and kicked to the curb by the end of the year. He has almost no support anymore, among the powerful figures in Iran.

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apdst said:

That's what people were saying in 1936, too.

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China actually has far less interest in Iran than Iran has in China. India provides more military support to Iran than China and their economic ties are just as strong, if not stronger. There is no fear-mongering about India, though. You are more likely to see India, Russia, and Iran form a bloc against the West then you are to see China, Russia, and Iran form one.

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And I should give a **** what this pathetic brain dead moron says, because???

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IMO, Mr. Ahmadinejad's remarks are little more than "noise." He seeks to create the impression that Iran has an effective strategic alliance through which it can insulate itself from the legitimate concerns of the international community. He seeks to shift the psychological balance far more than what is possible from Iran's own power, even as Iran maintains an active diplomacy aimed at circumventing the current regime of modest international sanctions.

The reality is that both Russia and China are keeping Iran at arms length. There is no military alliance. While Russia and China would vigorously oppose UN sanction of military action against Iran (and almost certainly against Syria, too, in the wake of their view that military action in Libya has gone beyond the narrow purpose of the UNSC resolution on Libya; that dynamic will likely lead to more active Russian and Chinese vetoes of future UNSC resolutions that could authorize the use of force except when they broadly agree with such an approach), it is highly unlikely that either state would come to Iran's rescue were military strikes conducted against Iran's nuclear facilities. That situation is not likely to change in the near-term.

Both China and Russia also have something to gain from giving Iran a voice in their forum. Both might gain a window into Iran's foreign policy calculations. To the extent that the door appears open to wider Iranian participation in the SCO, Russia and China might also gain somewhat greater leverage on differences they have with the West. In addition, China reinforces a relationship by which it can have a potentially reliable source of oil to feed the increasing energy needs of its rapidly growing economy.

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Inevitably, by Iran or another Islamic state or organization, Israel will be attacked with a nuclear weapon.

China and Russia are practicing some CYA for when that day happens and the ultimate look of the world thereafter.

The day is coming, sooner or later.

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So what would this alliance do? It could only damage China's relationship with the US. Why would China do that unless we default on our loans to them, or if American businesses like WalMart stopped purchasing their goods? We're their cash cow. Could Iran replace the profits China receives from the USA? I don't think so. I'm also wondering how long it might be before Iran invites South American countries like Venezuela to be a part of their unholy alliance.

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Μολὼν λαβέ;1059575636 said:

So what would this alliance do? It could only damage China's relationship with the US. Why would China do that unless we default on our loans to them, or if American businesses like WalMart stopped purchasing their goods? We're their cash cow. Could Iran replace the profits China receives from the USA? I don't think so. I'm also wondering how long it might be before Iran invites South American countries like Venezuela to be a part of their unholy alliance.

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