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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Tell me how offering NATO support, i.e. fueling stations, is not following the constitution.
    He is "offerring support" in an area of hostilities. The US and Nato are engaged in hostilities against Libya. According to the Constitution, only Congress has the authority to commit our armed forces to war, though Congress and the WPA did give away some of those rights to the president, but the President is now coming up to the limit of that leeway...
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    1. Ask Obama what HIS goal is, but if it protects civilians from a brutal dictator, especially one that was a thorn in the side of the U.S., that is a benefit.
    Benefit perhaps but not a reason for Americans to go to war. Or do you recommend we start wars in all of the other countries where we could be protecting civilians? And what level of brutality is appropriate before we use the armed forces to intervene? Are there any other countries in the Middle East where the case could be made that dictators are brutal? Shall we wage wars against each serially? Or should we declare war on all of them? And what about Mexico? Should we extend this to say if a nation is exporting its poor and ill to the US that is a positive act of war against us?
    It begins to get complicated, doesn't it?
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Tell me how offering NATO support, i.e. fueling stations, is not following the constitution.
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    A war is still a war. Even if you try to deceive the people and the Congress by calling it something else.

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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    1. Ask Obama what HIS goal is, but if it protects civilians from a brutal dictator, especially one that was a thorn in the side of the U.S., that is a benefit. Frankly, we should have shot him up back in the 80s.
    2. Chance of accomplishment depends on the goal. If it is to protect civilians, that has already happened. If it is to overthrow Wacky Quaddafi, that would likely need more work.

    However, having said that, as Obama did not follow legal and Constitutional procedures, that trumps whether or not I agree in the policy.
    Going to war to get rid of a "brutal dictator" might have worked for Bush (after all the other reasons didn't pan out) but it won't work for Obama. Memory is fleeting and hypocracy runs rampant but I digress.

    Still, Obama should get the hell out of Libya. Spend the money on roads and education and health care instead. Screw the defense industry and all the war dogs he golfs with.

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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    3 working days?

    1) That may be too long and 2) Which Congress are we talking about?
    Standard working days, when Congress is in session. While they take a lot of time off, there could be details worked out to call emergency sessions should military intervention be absolutely necessary.
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    He is "offerring support" in an area of hostilities. The US and Nato are engaged in hostilities against Libya. According to the Constitution, only Congress has the authority to commit our armed forces to war, though Congress and the WPA did give away some of those rights to the president, but the President is now coming up to the limit of that leeway...
    Does the country have a legal requirement to maintain its commitment with NATO?

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    A rose by any other name...
    A war is still a war. Even if you try to deceive the people and the Congress by calling it something else.
    I'm not arguing that a war isn't taking place, I'm arguing that the US isn't directly involved and that maintaining our commitment to NATO does not constitute the need for congressional approval.
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    I'm not arguing that a war isn't taking place, I'm arguing that the US isn't directly involved and that maintaining our commitment to NATO does not constitute the need for congressional approval.
    Would you say that our role today is very similar to the first half-year or so of our European involvement in WWII? We were in a supporting role there as well. So I guess FDR really did not need to ask for a declaration...And there was no war powers act.

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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Would you say that our role today is very similar to the first half-year or so of our European involvement in WWII? We were in a supporting role there as well. So I guess FDR really did not need to ask for a declaration...And there was no war powers act.
    If FDR's plan was only to provide logistical support than an act of war from congress would not have been required if a treaty was already being honored. We know that both of those were not the case.
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Benefit perhaps but not a reason for Americans to go to war. Or do you recommend we start wars in all of the other countries where we could be protecting civilians? And what level of brutality is appropriate before we use the armed forces to intervene? Are there any other countries in the Middle East where the case could be made that dictators are brutal? Shall we wage wars against each serially? Or should we declare war on all of them? And what about Mexico? Should we extend this to say if a nation is exporting its poor and ill to the US that is a positive act of war against us?
    It begins to get complicated, doesn't it?
    Didn't say it was easy and many factors need to be considered, including international support. However, in the case of Khaddafy, the fact that he committed crimes against the US and Americans in the past makes it a little easier...
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Standard working days, when Congress is in session. While they take a lot of time off, there could be details worked out to call emergency sessions should military intervention be absolutely necessary.
    Sorry, but I don't want to put the fate of the nation's security in the hands of Congress.

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