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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Yes, it is asking too much. A moment's notice implies immediate action. If action must be taken immediately, Congress can be informed well before 2 months time. 3 working days, 5 tops.
    3 working days?

    1) That may be too long and 2) Which Congress are we talking about?

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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    Impeachment could settle the matter as well.
    I read somewhere yesterday that the former Director of the Library of Congress said that going to war without authorization is the most impeachable offense there is.

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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by stealthy View Post
    I read somewhere yesterday that the former Director of the Library of Congress said that going to war without authorization is the most impeachable offense there is.
    I would completely agree with that assessment. Of course, that brings up the question of what is 'war'? Frankly, President Obama's claim that there are no 'hostilities' in Libya is a bald faced lie. And the same people who defend him are the ones who accuse G.W. Bush of lying, without knowing, apparently, what the verb (or noun) 'lie' truly means in English.
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    exactly, how else would you explain 70% of the country screaming at the top of their lungs, NO OBAMACARE.. and congress doing it anyway.
    right in our face..

    you will pay the price for such audasity
    Your numbers are wrong, the split is actually around 50/50 for or against CongressCare

    Quote Originally Posted by shades View Post
    and this is especially true in matters of sending my son or daughter in harms way, one man can not make that call, under any circumstance short of immediate national security,
    and especially not under the premise that its different because its a UN operation.
    Actually, what the Obama administration defense is in the case with Libya is that we are supporting our NATO allies and are only operating in a support capacity. It may prove to be a valid argument since treaties become the law of the land according to the constitution and if it proven that no Americans are being put in harms way.


    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I would completely agree with that assessment. Of course, that brings up the question of what is 'war'? Frankly, President Obama's claim that there are no 'hostilities' in Libya is a bald faced lie. And the same people who defend him are the ones who accuse G.W. Bush of lying, without knowing, apparently, what the verb (or noun) 'lie' truly means in English.
    Actually, what Obama claims is that America isn't involved in the hostilities directly. Providing equipment, using spy drones, providing refueling, air carries for launch pads etc is what Obama is claims our role has been in Libya since NATO has taken over. During the first week or so, is when America bombed the **** out of Libya
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    The highest court was created in part to get in the midle of an argument between the President and Congress. Congress has ceded too much of its power and destroyed the checks and balances which are meant to be in place, particularly where the military is concerned. I damned well hope that more lawmakers join in and that we put the proper restraints on the power of the President. The President is 1 guy, he wasn't meant to have all the power. It needs to be handled and this has to result in lessening the Presidents power to use our military any way he sees fit.
    Congress ratified the U.N. Charter, the POTUS has a U.N. Mandate, there is nothing unconstitutional about the Libya operation unless you haven't actually read the Supremacy Clause which makes treaties the "Supreme Law of the Land", now if you want to challenge the Constitutionality of the U.N. Charter that's one thing, but as it stands the POTUS is acting completely within the current law, if it is found that Article 42 of the U.N. Charter is unconstitutional remember that so too is ex post facto prosecution.
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Time Lord View Post
    Congress ratified the U.N. Charter, the POTUS has a U.N. Mandate, there is nothing unconstitutional about the Libya operation unless you haven't actually read the Supremacy Clause which makes treaties the "Supreme Law of the Land", now if you want to challenge the Constitutionality of the U.N. Charter that's one thing, but as it stands the POTUS is acting completely within the current law, if it is found that Article 42 of the U.N. Charter is unconstitutional remember that so to is ex post facto prosecution.
    There is nothing in the UNSC resolution that MANDATES member states to attack Libya? If there were, then EVERY UN member state would be involved in the operation.
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    There is nothing in the UNSC resolution that MANDATES member states to attack Libya? If there were, then EVERY UN member state would be involved in the operation.
    The POTUS has a UN Mandate, I didn't say he was mandated by the UN to act, the UNSC resolution granted him authorization to act with military force under article 42 of the UN Charter which was ratified by the Senate and signed by the POTUS, the Presidents choice to act was completely within current U.S. law.

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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Time Lord View Post
    The POTUS has a UN Mandate, I didn't say he was mandated by the UN to act, the UNSC resolution granted him authorization to act with military force under article 42 of the UN Charter which was ratified by the Senate and signed by the POTUS, the Presidents choice to act was completely within current U.S. law.
    But Congress has NOT given him the authorization to act. It is Congress he serves, NOT the UNSC... This action is NOT within U.S. law...
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    And if the SCOTUS rules that the president acted in accordance with the War Powers Act and NATO treaty since direct hostile action in the Libyan ended after the first week?
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    And if the SCOTUS rules that the president acted in accordance with the War Powers Act and NATO treaty since direct hostile action in the Libyan ended after the first week?
    If?? It won't happen as SCOTUS is about to go on its summer recess and won't return for another close to four months.
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