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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I agree with you, except that the problem of Congress ceding power to the President needs to be fixed by Congress and not by the courts.
    But if the President ignores the Constitution, the law and Congress, the courts are the final recourse... as envisioned by our founders...
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by W00ster View Post
    But I bet none of them had any problems with the outright lies the Bush administration used to invade Iraq nor any problems with the amount of Americans killed as a result of their lies. Nor do they seemingly have any issues with the 6.6 billion tax payer dollars stolen in Iraq. Nope, the #1 killer of Americans over the past decade is living peacefully in Crawford, Texas. The #2 killer, Bin Laden was not so lucky!
    1. Do you know the definition of the word 'lie'?
    2. Actually, that wasn't taxpayer money that was lost according to the reports I saw on CNN. It is actually Iraqi money put into a trust...
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    1. Do you know the definition of the word 'lie'?
    2. Actually, that wasn't taxpayer money that was lost according to the reports I saw on CNN. It is actually Iraqi money put into a trust...
    "Weapons of Mass Destruction"

    UN, NATO: None of that here!

    Bush: Yes there is, WAAAARRRRR.

    That's a lie.

    Bush: Hmm, no WMD. Well, They're linked to Osama Bin Laden!

    UN, NATO, U.S. Intelligence Agencies: No they're not.

    Bush: YES THEY ARE, WAAAAARRRR.

    That's a lie.

    Bush lied, he got his war. It cost thousands upon thousands of lives and did almost no effing good whatsoever.

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    So deployment talks about where you put a bunch of guys, and employment talks about what you have them do while they're there?
    Yup. That's correct.

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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    But if the President ignores the Constitution, the law and Congress, the courts are the final recourse... as envisioned by our founders...
    Actually, no. Can you show me what enforcement powers the Supreme Court has?

    Congress was set up to be the President's judge and jury of last resort. That's what impeachment is all about.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    So deployment talks about where you put a bunch of guys, and employment talks about what you have them do while they're there?
    In short, yes.

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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    It will be interesting to see how this goes. I've read somewhere in the distant past that the WPA had not really been tested by a Supreme Court ruling. The argument is that the WPA is an unconstitutional intrusion on the President's authority as Commander in Chief by Congress. I'm not staking a claim to a position either way, but it will be interesting to watch.
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Congress has the power to put into legislation other measures that would tighten or constrain the president's freedom in this area.

    But they just don't have the brains to find the adequate loopholes with their wording to make it happen.

    Nor does congress have the balls to just NOT FUND operations - afterall, that's the initial power that was granted TO Congress. The idea was that if a war action was undesired they could simply not fund it - and tada - not happening . . . instead - they became lazy and opted for an overall massive budget-approval that just hands out money willy nilly and unconstrained.

    They gave away their power.

    Congress is also the end-all in WHO we sign agreements with and WHAT is permitted via those agreements.
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    In short, yes.
    Thanks for helping me understand the difference.

    While I will agree it is not Congress' place to niggle the President to death on the details of what he has the military doing, it absolutely is Congress' place to deny the President the ability to send the military someplace and have them fight someone that doesn't represent a direct threat to the security of our nation.

    In other words, Congress doesn't get to tell the President "no" if he's addressing a threat of invasion or attack, but Congress absolutely has the right to tell the President not to send the military in on a police action.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by ItsAProcess View Post
    "Weapons of Mass Destruction"

    UN, NATO: None of that here!

    Bush: Yes there is, WAAAARRRRR.

    That's a lie.

    Bush: Hmm, no WMD. Well, They're linked to Osama Bin Laden!

    UN, NATO, U.S. Intelligence Agencies: No they're not.

    Bush: YES THEY ARE, WAAAAARRRR.

    That's a lie.

    Bush lied, he got his war. It cost thousands upon thousands of lives and did almost no effing good whatsoever.


    So, are you saying Clinton lied to? Again, do you know the DEFINITION of lie?

    And getting rid of a brutal dictator is not a good thing? Seeing elections in Iraq is not a good thing?
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes - CBS News



    This will go exactly nowhere. Even the highest court has proven to be extremely reluctant to get in the middle of an argument between the President and Congress.
    Yeah, sounds like a bunch of right winged War protestors to me.
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