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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, they're supposed to be at odds with each other. Congress, which holds power of legislation and purse and composed of the most people chosen to represent State and People is to be the strongest branch. The President enforces the laws Congress passes. The Courts keep both in check. Power was not meant to be consolidated in any one man or body, which is why there are 3. However, Congress is supposed to have the most power.
    Hence, the co-equal part.



    That's the point. They'll agree when it's necessary to agree and not before that. It ensures proper use of our military. 300 clowns who have to agree by majority is better than 1 clown with all the power. Statistically speaking, the 300 should fair better than the 1.
    But, when will they agree that it's neccessary to agree? Are we really supposed to trust goofballs like Dennis Kucinich to protect our country?

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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    While I find the motives of some of those who are supporting this lawsuit questionable, overall this is a good thing.
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    True. Do you think the rebels are likely to create a democracy? I do not see it.
    They already have. Most of the towns that are controlled by the rebels are functioning democracy with free trade happening. The problem is, the only place you tend to hear about this are on programs on NPR, the BBC, Al-Jazeera, etc. If you only get your news from local and national sources on television, you won't hear about it.

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    Sectarian violence within a religion is probably some of the worst and the hatreds and and violence last the longest.

    In comparison, the Shia - Sunni split occurred what, less than 100 years after the founding of the religion and the tensions still remain. Mixed with that is the fact that the Arab world is still strongly tribal and clan/family oriented and in many ways, artificially national. I say artificial because Europeans created the national boundaries and that really helped **** things up. Boundaries were first created based on colonial boundaries, and then the political concerns following WWII. Britain pretty much drew up the ME boundaries and they did it without a strong understanding of the tribal boundaries and areas. Then to reward the Arabs who had helped them against the Turks, they took Arabs out of the Arabian peninsula and made them Kings in Jordan (Trans-Jordan), Iraq, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia.
    I know the history. But the conflict that is going on today is trans-tribal in the sense that all the tribes without power are uniting against the tribes with power. Sectarian violence is going to continue to exist in the middle east as long as freedom is supressed by a dominating faction. That's why democracy is good, because it aims to decentralize power and that's why all the movements favor it. They are all comprised of the powerless, and the powerless fear any one side getting more power than the other. Power, unlike most things, is a zero sum game. Unless everyone gets a piece, everyone who doesn't is a loser by default.
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sorry, but I don't want to put the fate of the nation's security in the hands of Congress.
    LOL. Who does? But, there it is anyway.
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Hence, the co-equal part.
    But they're not supposed to be equal, just different. The body to have the most power, Congress, which can legislate and holds power of purse (the two most important powers) is composed of the most number of people. This was done on purpose. The President is just the executive and should be doing what Congress tells him to do. He gets to create the agencies to enforce the laws Congress passes. The Courts were to be the outside observer keeping everyone in line. Well as it stands, the Courts have usurped a surprisingly large amount of power, so has the President, where as Congress has abdicated some of its power. But the powers were broken up as they were for a reason. And only Congress was given the power to declare war. Thus in today's modern era where we may need to act quicker, the Congress is still the source of the apporpriate check against the President's ability to wield our military.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    But, when will they agree that it's neccessary to agree? Are we really supposed to trust goofballs like Dennis Kucinich to protect our country?
    They will agree when it becomes necessary to agree. It's when we have no other choice but to use our military. That's the point. Since there's so many, they're not going to go off the handle and start bombing any ol' country they want like our last few Presidents have done. I'll take the aggregated goofballs over the isolated goofball.
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    They already have. Most of the towns that are controlled by the rebels are functioning democracy with free trade happening. The problem is, the only place you tend to hear about this are on programs on NPR, the BBC, Al-Jazeera, etc. If you only get your news from local and national sources on television, you won't hear about it.
    Well, I don't think so. The rebels are a rag-tag bunch of Islamist terrorists and others. It will end badly for the west.
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