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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    If FDR's plan was only to provide logistical support than an act of war from congress would not have been required if a treaty was already being honored. We know that both of those were not the case.
    Twist as much as you like. The one term president Obama is prosecuting an illegal war for purposes not in our national interest.

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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Twist as much as you like. The one term president Obama is prosecuting an illegal war for purposes not in our national interest.
    Are you saying the president has to get congressional approval for every action in support of an existing treaty?
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    If FDR's plan was only to provide logistical support than an act of war from congress would not have been required if a treaty was already being honored. We know that both of those were not the case.
    FDR did provide strictly logistical support, prior to 7 December 1941 and he didn't have to seek Congressional approval to do so.

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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Are you saying the president has to get congressional approval for every action in support of an existing treaty?
    If he intends war, yes. Even within the North Atlantic Treaty Organization. Had the Soviets crossed the Inter German Border we would have fought and the Congress would have declared war.

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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    FDR did provide strictly logistical support, prior to 7 December 1941 and he didn't have to seek Congressional approval to do so.
    In fact he did. Much of it was secret, of course. Some of it was done with a "wink". Some was strictly economic with very advantageous loan terms. This did not include aerial refueling, bombing targets in NAZI Germany or providing aircraft carrier-based intelligence gathering.

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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Sorry, but I don't want to put the fate of the nation's security in the hands of Congress.
    And you want it in Obama's hands????
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    He is "offerring support" in an area of hostilities. The US and Nato are engaged in hostilities against Libya. According to the Constitution, only Congress has the authority to commit our armed forces to war, though Congress and the WPA did give away some of those rights to the president, but the President is now coming up to the limit of that leeway...
    And on that thought, if you think about it, lets say......Iran began bombing our cities. (I know it won't happen, but stay with me) Would we consider a country that was aiding Iran by providing them logistical support to be at war with us? Would bombing our cities be considered a "hostile action" or a flat out war? It's war, plain and simple. I support stopping Daffy duck. But I want his head. Go after him. Stop pussy footing around and get this son of a bitch. Then end the conflict.

    But we are definitely at war. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....

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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by dontworrybehappy View Post
    And on that thought, if you think about it, lets say......Iran began bombing our cities. (I know it won't happen, but stay with me) Would we consider a country that was aiding Iran by providing them logistical support to be at war with us? Would bombing our cities be considered a "hostile action" or a flat out war? It's war, plain and simple. I support stopping Daffy duck. But I want his head. Go after him. Stop pussy footing around and get this son of a bitch. Then end the conflict.

    But we are definitely at war. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck....
    Totally agree with you. If Iran were bombing us and Cuba and Venezuela were providing logistical support, bomb the crap out of all three...
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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    And you want it in Obama's hands????
    No, I want co-equal branches of government.

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    Re: 10 U.S. lawmakers sue Obama over Libya strikes

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Are you saying the president has to get congressional approval for every action in support of an existing treaty?
    No. But once congress pushes him on the issue, he then has to abide by the laws set forth. Congressional pushback is them asserting their ability to oversee Presidential decisions and revoke them if they step into congressional power boundaries. Its not pretty, but our form of government is rarely pretty or neat.

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