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As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

TurtleDude said:
if corporations can obtain sufficient supplies of the commodity known as labor without paying more for it WHY SHOULD THEY?

the competition overseas will not
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I agree with you to a point. Corporations 'flag' is not a American flag. Its the dollar. Oh hell, just read my signature. It says it all really.
 
There is a simple explanation for a company or corp. that is doing well and not to be passing on the profits to employees or hiring for that matter.

In this economy with Obama at the helm the over whelming feeling is uncertainty and nothing kills business like the fear of an uncertain future.

If Obama hadn't lied so much and been so negative and wasted do much money we could have been on a real up swing last year.

I know more about how to run a business and I think it's transferable to being fiscally responsible in Government.

It worked well for me in City Government.
 
Hey Boo when a company wants to decide where to expand their business and the government steps in and tries to tell them that they cannot because the unions dont like it...what do you think any sane business man is going to do? Speaking of course of Boeing.

We have a hostile regulatory environment, we have endless regulation and red tape, we have even more increased costs on new employee hires and current employee hires through the health care reform act and we have a constant blame the companies game going on in Washington. Your'e surprised they arent tossing raises and new hires around? Really?
 
CriticalThought said:
Let's cut to the chase. You want people here to live like they do in China, to work for the same wages, and in the same conditions, so that the private industries can increase their profits.
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Im NOT answering this for him. But I personally feel there must be a balance. Unions have really screwed the pooch. BUUUUT..... corporations have really become something much more than fighting Unions. They are holden to Wall Street. They dont do whats good for the country as a whole or whats best for their dedicated employees. They do whats good for Wall Street and I find that unfortunate. Ever hear the saying Money Talks but Bull**** Walks? That should be on the dollar bill in place of In God We trust. People dont care about America like they used to. They arent patriotic. They are in love of money. That crosses both sides of Congress and all across America.
 
OpportunityCost said:
Hey Boo when a company wants to decide where to expand their business and the government steps in and tries to tell them that they cannot because the unions dont like it...what do you think any sane business man is going to do? Speaking of course of Boeing.

We have a hostile regulatory environment, we have endless regulation and red tape, we have even more increased costs on new employee hires and current employee hires through the health care reform act and we have a constant blame the companies game going on in Washington. Your'e surprised they arent tossing raises and new hires around? Really?
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The government or the UNION? Expalin.

Look, regulations have been largely lax, which played a role in the problems we faced today. And if you went with a single payer system, removing health care from the work place, business woudl be much better off.

As for Boeing, didn't the union strike? And didn't they give concessions for a while? Didn't boeing make a mistake in what they thought workers would accept?
 
Councilman said:
There is a simple explanation for a company or corp. that is doing well and not to be passing on the profits to employees or hiring for that matter.

In this economy with Obama at the helm the over whelming feeling is uncertainty and nothing kills business like the fear of an uncertain future.

If Obama hadn't lied so much and been so negative and wasted do much money we could have been on a real up swing last year.

I know more about how to run a business and I think it's transferable to being fiscally responsible in Government.

It worked well for me in City Government.
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Stop with the Obama crap. He isnt that great but he does not have the influence you give him credit for.
 
The Giant Noodle said:
Im NOT answering this for him. But I personally feel there must be a balance. Unions have really screwed the pooch. BUUUUT..... corporations have really become something much more than fighting Unions. They are holden to Wall Street. They dont do whats good for the country as a whole or whats best for their dedicated employees. They do whats good for Wall Street and I find that unfortunate. Ever hear the saying Money Talks but Bull**** Walks? That should be on the dollar bill in place of In God We trust. People dont care about America like they used to. They arent patriotic. They are in love of money. That crosses both sides of Congress and all across America.
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Yes, I agree with the need for balance. We have troubles when one side gets too much of an advantage, and takes advantage. Both sides have done this.
 
Boo Radley said:
Is it a fair wage for a fair days work, or is it stick it to the working man as much as you can? These are not new issues. There is a natural conflict between managment and labor. Both have self interest. And both have to know when they go too far.

However, it is clear that the trickle down effect many espouse is less certain than some proclaim.
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a fair wage has no meaning. I suspect your concept of fair is unrelated to economic reality
 
CriticalThought said:
The super rich of this country are not Americans. They belong to a very different international community and they have no loyalties to our country. I don't know how long it will take people to figure it out, but lower taxes does not equate to a freer market.
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But but but how can a company/person give us employment if all their money is being taken away /sarcasm
 
TurtleDude said:
a fair wage has no meaning. I suspect your concept of fair is unrelated to economic reality
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I actually think it does have meaning, and it is related to economics. Take the NFL, owners can't make a profit without players. Players can't run the league. But if owners make billions, millions can equal a fair wage. How much is made, economics, matched with how much is contributed, can produce a formula for a fair wage.
 
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I gotta say, I'm surprised how many people still defend big business and their right to keep the lion's share of the pie. And if the workers don't like it they can - what? Move to another country? Is this just the way it's going to be? Is the American dream over? *unless of course you know how to be an internet marketer*
 
xpiher said:
But but but how can a company/person give us employment if all their money is being taken away /sarcasm
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YOure missing the point. I dont expect Hannity-isms to actually say anything anyways. But STILL..... come on man.
 
BDBoop said:
I gotta say, I'm surprised how many people still defend big business and their right to keep the lion's share of the pie. And if the workers don't like it they can - what? Move to another country? Is this just the way it's going to be? Is the American dream over? *unless of course you know how to be an internet marketer*
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It is their right AND obligation to be more profitable.
 
Boo Radley said:
I actually think it does have meaning, and it is related to economics. Take the NFL, owners can't make a profit without players. Players can't run the league. But if owners make billions, millions can equal a fair wage. How much is made, economics, matched with how much is contributed, can produce a formula for a fair wage.
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So if we use that formula for companies losing money, people get salary cuts. Also much of the profit for the largest corporations comes from overseas. Shouldn't we take into account the increase in standard of living throughout the world instead of just looking at the U.S.
 
Boo Radley said:
I actually think it does have meaning, and it is related to economics. Take the NFL, owners can't make a profit without players. Players can't run the league. But if owners make billions, millions can equal a fair wage. How much is made, economics, matched with how much is contributed, can produce a formula for a fair wage.
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If an owner can hire a full team of all stars at 1 million a player why should he pay more?
 
CriticalThought said:
I'm sorry, where did I say that I support the government taking private property? I said I support the government having a reasonable tax rate. We currently have one of the lowest tax rates in history, it is a contributing factor to this recession and slow recovery, it needs to go up.
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At one time the government did have a 'reasonable tax rate" and an average man with a steady job could buy a home and support a family. But he had to work only one month out of 12 to pay his annual taxes. The rest of his income belonged to the family. Now that same average man has to work about half the year for the government, making it impossible for him to support a family.

I don't believe many people mind paying 'reasonable taxes' but it has become unreasonable, and the government waste and pork barrel spending is clearly unreasonable and irresponsible.

There are many who want businesses to pay more, even as businesses are failing, but these same people never seem to be asking their governments to spend less.
 
CriticalThought said:
The funny thing about you is that you think that parasites can only be poor but some of the biggest parasites in this country are rich.
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I agree fully

Al Gore, John Edwards and soon to be disbarred dem "master of disaster" tort lawyer Stan Chesley all count too. In fact many of the rich politicians who are rich because of government (did you see what Pelosi is worth) are obvious parasites.
 
Grant said:
At one time the government did have a 'reasonable tax rate" and an average man with a steady job could buy a home and support a family. But he had to work only one month out of 12 to pay his annual taxes. The rest of his income belonged to the family. Now that same average man has to work about half the year for the government, making it impossible for him to support a family.
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What the hell are you talking about? Name a middle class man who has to give half his income in taxes.

The reason it is impossible for the average middle class man to get by is because he is now working a service sector job since most of the manufacturing industry was outsourced, and he is getting by on a wage that after inflation, is half as much as his father made.
 
TurtleDude said:
I agree fully

Al Gore, John Edwards and soon to be disbarred dem "master of disaster" tort lawyer Stan Chesley all count too. In fact many of the rich politicians who are rich because of government (did you see what Pelosi is worth) are obvious parasites.
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No disagreement here. Gotta love that military industrial complex that one Republican president warned us about. Funny though how your list is absent many of the right side parasites. I guess in your mind you can only be a parasite if you are on the left side of the spectrum.
 
Grant said:
At one time the government did have a 'reasonable tax rate" and an average man with a steady job could buy a home and support a family. But he had to work only one month out of 12 to pay his annual taxes. The rest of his income belonged to the family. Now that same average man has to work about half the year for the government, making it impossible for him to support a family.

I don't believe many people mind paying 'reasonable taxes' but it has become unreasonable, and the government waste and pork barrel spending is clearly unreasonable and irresponsible.

There are many who want businesses to pay more, even as businesses are failing, but these same people never seem to be asking their governments to spend less.
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Accordiing to Turtledude

The average man is not paying much in taxes and certainly is not paying their share of the federal government expenses in the US

The average man has no excuse in that case
 
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