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As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

shintao said:
That is a good question. Answer is, I want the corporations to take all the marbles home, and let you work for a cup a gruel. I mean whats wrong with that? Whats wrong with the company store and eliminating taxes, let you work for items on their shelf. Whats wrong with that? I think you should be paid with a can of beans. LOL!
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Scary thing is, the ideas you espouse on here, would leave in such a world, and you don't even realize it. Only it wouldn't be a "corporation" you'd be working for and suffering under, it'd be the Government.
 
MrVicchio said:
Scary thing is, the ideas you espouse on here, would leave in such a world, and you don't even realize it. Only it wouldn't be a "corporation" you'd be working for and suffering under, it'd be the Government.
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LOL! You think a corporation owes you a favor? That they are your good buddy? That they are going to take care of you? Is that what you are trying to say here?

You might think about WHO THE **** IS GOVERNMENT!!! Is this government working for you, or corporations? Are you in control, or is corporations. THINK!!!
 
obvious Child said:
Actually some of them do depending on the structure of the business. Equity share managers in a small company exists to make that worker rich. Bested again Mr. V.
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An exception, a small minority exception to the rule does not equal bested, it just shows your desperation to try and score points.

BUSINESSES do not exist to make the workers rich.

What you are referring to, is this situation:

When the owners are shareholders, the interest can be called shareholders' equity; the accounting remains the same, and it is ownership equity spread out among shareholders. If all shareholders are in one and the same class, they share equally in ownership equity from all perspectives. However, shareholders may allow different priority ranking among themselves by the use of share classes and options. This complicates both analysis for stock valuation and accounting.
The individual investor is interested not only in the total changes to equity, but also in the increase / decrease in the value of his own personal share of the equity. This reconciliation of equity should be done both in total and on a per share basis.
Equity (beg. of year)
+ net income inter net money you gained
− dividends how much money you gained or lost so far
+/− gain/loss from changes to the number of shares outstanding.more or less
= Equity (end of year) if you get more money during the year or less or not anything
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Equity_(finance)

A situation where the business is set up to draw other investors in, and to build trust, the employees have the same stake in the venture as potential shareholders. This engenders trust because the managers must treat clients money as they would their own.

Once again, you liken yourself to a small dog, yapping at his better.
 
shintao said:
LOL! You think a corporation owes you a favor? That they are your good buddy? That they are going to take care of you? Is that what you are trying to say here?

You might think about WHO THE **** IS GOVERNMENT!!! Is this government working for you, or corporations? Are you in control, or is corporations. THINK!!!
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Do you really think politicians give a rats ass about you? Social Welfare programs exist for one reason: To bribe you with "gold from the treasury" for you votes. They aren't taking care of you; they're USING you.

And another thing, Corporations provide jobs, sustainable jobs, you can invest in them, purchase their services or goods, or you can choose not to do any of the above. Government has the force of law to ensure you behave a certain way.
 
MrVicchio said:
Do you really think politicians give a rats ass about you? Social Welfare programs exist for one reason: To bribe you with "gold from the treasury" for you votes. They aren't taking care of you; they're USING you.

And another thing, Corporations provide jobs, sustainable jobs, you can invest in them, purchase their services or goods, or you can choose not to do any of the above. Government has the force of law to ensure you behave a certain way.
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Ssshhhhh! They are watching you. Don't say too much or they will come get you!!!!

Tell me, do you really believe all these conspiracies are in play, or is that just the drum beat points you say because it scares the uneducated people who believe that the government wants to steal their bibles and guns?

While I agree with you that Welfare is a disease of this country, I think that it began in the right place in that it was an attempt to stem the tide of poverty in this country. However, as all good intentions it has become wasteful and abused, thus needs to be addressed.
 
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tlmorg02 said:
Ssshhhhh! They are watching you. Don't say too much or they will come get you!!!!

Tell me, do you really believe all these conspiracies are in play, or is that just the drum beat points you say because it scares the uneducated people who believe that the government wants to steal their bibles and guns?

While I agree with you that Welfare is a disease of this country, I think that it began in the right place in that it was an attempt to stem the tide of poverty in this country. However, as all good intentions it has become wasteful and abused, thus needs to be addressed.
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The path to hell is paved with good intentions.


And it's not "conspiratorial", it's common sense.

Alexis de Tocqueville quotes (showing 1-41 of 41)
"The American Republic will endure until the day Congress discovers that it can bribe the public with the public's money."
— Alexis de Tocqueville (Democracy in America)
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What you see as good intended measures to help stem poverty... don't work, never have.

They create dependencies in people, who then vote for the folks that will keep giving them free stuff. Both parties do it. While the basic premise and desire to help people is there, you are a fool if you don't think there is a political calculation involved.

"We can help this socio-economic group and they'll know WE made sure they got this help and vote for us!"

It's a trap no one has figured out how to avoid with a democratic system of government.
 
tlmorg02 said:
While I agree with you that Welfare is a disease of this country, I think that it began in the right place in that it was an attempt to stem the tide of poverty in this country. However, as all good intentions it has become wasteful and abused, thus needs to be addressed.
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But who is going to address it?

We can see that the national debts are unsustainable but any effort to get them under control will be "extreme right wing", that it will be 'paid on the backs of the working man', and so on. Politicians like Harry Reid will continue to insist taxpayers foot the bill for cowboy poetry contests and anyone who disagrees will be 'unpatriotic' and 'extreme'. So the money will be spent, just as it will be on millions of other useless programs, eagerly defended by the Porkers. No politician seems to have the courage to say 'No More'..
 
Grant said:
You posted those graphs and you want to know their relevance?

My comment did not come out of left field because I mentioned earlier how debt, in regard to how long it takes to work to pay off the annual tax, skews the entire stats. Are you disregarding the debt? Do you have any idea what to do about it, or to where it might lead?

The thread is all about workers making less, and I contend that the problem lies with government and their reckless and irresponsible spending. Your graphs mean nothing unless that is taken into account, as well as annual deficits of over $1 trillion.
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Let me get this right...you are arguing that the workers are making less because the government is overspending? That my friend is the dumbest thing I have ever heard on this forum.

The workers 5 to 6 years from now will certainly be making a lot less when the tax rate finally goes to where it needs to be to start paying back the debt, but right now and for the last 30 years, no that is not the case. The fact you believe that shows you have absolutely no economic sense.

In fact, your statement makes me think that people should be required to take Economics 101 before they post in this section.
 
cpwill said:
ah that clicks it into place - i was reading the titles differently.

let's see:

1950: unemployment goes up, labor share goes down
1954: unemployment goes up, labor share goes down
1958: unemployment goes up, labor share goes down
1961: unemployment goes up, labor share spikes and then goes down
1970: unemployment goes up, labor share goes down
1974: unemployment goes up, labor share goes down
1980: unemployment goes up, labor share goes down
1982: unemployment goes up, labor share goes down
1991: unemployment goes up, labor share goes down
2001: unemployment goes up, labor share goes down
2009: unemployment goes up, labor share goes down


well, I sit corrected. those two charts are relevant. they seem to demonstrate that LesGovt was correct, and the price of labor falls as unemployment rises.
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What are you talking about? Reread the graph. When unemployment goes up, labor share goes up. Only in the last two years has that changed. Are you really that incapable of reading graphs? Where did you get your education?
 
shintao said:
What is a fair days pay?
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As I said earlier, What the business makes added to the work done can formulate what is fair. It's like any kind of shared activity, you can work our a fair trade is you want to.
 
CriticalThought said:
Let me get this right...you are arguing that the workers are making less because the government is overspending? That my friend is the dumbest thing I have ever heard on this forum.
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Where do you suppose the government gets its money? Do you really have any idea? Taxes come out of the pockets of people, and through a variety of ways..If the government is spending more money then the people who create that wealth are going to have to give that extra money to the government rather than have it for themselves. Or, as we see now, the govern
The workers 5 to 6 years from now will certainly be making a lot less when the tax rate finally goes to where it needs to be to start paying back the debt
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Now you are getting it!

but right now and for the last 30 years, no that is not the case. The fact you believe that shows you have absolutely no economic sense.
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What's this? The governments have not been spending enough? Taxes are too low? Too high? Just right?

In fact, your statement makes me think that people should be required to take Economics 101 before they post in this section.
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And one of the first things they should teach is where taxes come from and who pays them,
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apdst said:
O'Bama bailouts, perhaps???
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It's more than just Obama bailouts. This is a symptom of the corporate capitalist model we now run.
 
Ikari said:
It's more than just Obama bailouts. This is a symptom of the corporate capitalist model we now run.
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Good news for the American Leftists, Ikari.

Two more capitalist corporations just announced they were moving to Canada. We don't mind them so much up here, in fact we encourage them to come.
 
Grant said:
Good news for the American Leftists, Ikari.

Two more capitalist corporations just announced they were moving to Canada. We don't mind them so much up here, in fact we encourage them to come.
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That's fine, we should just put tariffs on Canada. HAHAHAHAHAHA.
 
Simon W. Moon said:
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I looked at this for a long time. I read the post at the original site. I read most, but not all of the messages here. So:
1) What does this chart mean?
2) What is the change in the total wealth of the nation?
3) What is the impact on the legal working American?
4) What is the impact of between 12 and 20 million illegal aliens?
 
Apart from the 1%, it seems that the American Dream is dead. Sad.
 
Profits are "soaring" becaue of profit taking, reduction in force, closings of targetted locations, and wanting to get the returns taxed at the current rates.

Businesses don't want to GROW their operations until they understand what the tax implications and general economy will be. There is no confidence in what the administration is doing, or the world economic outlook.

It's not hard for an established company to make a quick profit by cutting costs, especially if they don't have a union to deal with.
 
Erod said:
Profits are "soaring" becaue of profit taking, reduction in force, closings of targetted locations, and wanting to get the returns taxed at the current rates.

Businesses don't want to GROW their operations until they understand what the tax implications and general economy will be. There is no confidence in what the administration is doing, or the world economic outlook.

It's not hard for an established company to make a quick profit by cutting costs, especially if they don't have a union to deal with.
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Businesses will grow where there is a market for their services. Someone will be there to take that plunge. The reason they are not growing is because there is less buying.
 
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