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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    No moron. You said I was completely clueless, and you refused to say why. Which in essence, does not refute what I said about socialism originally. You don't state why the system we have now isn't capitalism. And um, just saying there are 100 books that dismiss this idea, doesn't really mean anything.
    Capitalism recognizes scarcity, thus supply (this is all goods) helps determine the prices and that prices, if left alone, will help make a just distribution. Socialism recognizes scarcity and says the government should intervene to make scarcity less pronounced on the whole of society and hoped that one day experts would find a way to make scarcity irrelevant. Communism recognizes the problems that socialism focuses on; however, communism states that only a violent over throw of the system and the replacement of community owned everything will result in a equal distribution of scarce goods. If you don't take my word for it, go read some books.

    The system we have now isn't capitalism because capitalism only exist when people are to trade what ever they want for whatever they can. When the government steps in and says, you cannot trade this product, then it ceases to be capitalism.

    Capitalism, as stated by Adam Smith (the finder of capitalism) does not mean the government doesn't have a role to play in the market, and on the contrary, has the moral obligation to ensure anarchy does not ensue and people aren't allowed to freely harm others (this includes Fraud). Capitalism and a free market are perfectly capable of existence of social(government) services and some regulations. Its not consistent, and ceases to even exist, when these regulations and social services are used prevent entry into market or used to promote 1 market over another.
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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Okay first, notice how when you defined Capitalism, Socialism, and Communism, they all dealt with scarce goods right? That means what I said was indeed accurate, and what you said was utterly completely wrong on how I was clueless about Capitalism, Socialism, and Communism.

    So Capitalism in your view is when businesses trade whatever they want for whatever they can. And you think if businesses followed this model, people as well as the environment would not be exploited? If you think this, then why?

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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    Okay first, notice how when you defined Capitalism, Socialism, and Communism, they all dealt with scarce goods right? That means what I said was indeed accurate, and what you said was utterly completely wrong on how I was clueless about Capitalism, Socialism, and Communism.
    Fundamental scarcity only exist if things can run out. This is acknowledge by all those systems.

    So Capitalism in your view is when businesses trade whatever they want for whatever they can. And you think if businesses followed this model, people as well as the environment would not be exploited? If you think this, then why?
    Capitalism has the clause "as long as harm is not being done." Environmental harm has harmful affects on non-consenting 3rd parties. Capitalism can exist, and in fact demands, that there be some limits. No serious capitalist promotes Laissez-faire

    You also need to understand that Capitalism only exist when parties consent, that Capitalism isn't a zero sum game, and wages, like everything else, is subject to supply and demand of labor. When someone agrees to work for say $5/hr they do so because they see some benefit from it. The only time this is not the case is when capitalism, or free trade, isn't allowed to function. For instance, when a cartel or monopoly exist like when a woman is prevented from braiding hair in her house because she doesn't have a cosmetology license http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/money/5...-utah.html.csp
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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    I highly disagree with you. When attempting to understand these concepts, all along the way it is assumed that some resources are present. I do not see anywhere in those doctrines that spells out when absolutely every single resource runs out. Therefore, resources are limitless.

    Well, there are some people out there obviously that do not think dumping some waste in the water supply is doing harm. Otherwise, they wouldn't do it correct? With your statement of Capitalism being when businesses trade whatever they want for whatever they can, doesn't that provide more incentive to break the rules of the game a bit? Because let's say a company were to dump some toxic waste into a river instead of spending money on proper disposal methods, this cuts on the cost, which in turn allows them to produce more. This in turn effects prices, giving them an edge on the competition.

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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    I will continue this later, something came up. Keep posting though as much as you wish.

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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by tlmorg02 View Post
    Companies are reducing staff, hiring temp workers that have lower pay and streamlining inefficient production.
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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    Well, there are some people out there obviously that do not think dumping some waste in the water supply is doing harm. Otherwise, they wouldn't do it correct?
    Its indirect 3rd party harm so its hard to see, or ever comprehend, that the harm exist; however, those harmful affects are known by all now and its done strictly to save money and skirt regulations. Its not done to charge less for those products, especially now since global demand and supply largely are how prices are determined.

    With your statement of Capitalism being when businesses trade whatever they want for whatever they can, doesn't that provide more incentive to break the rules of the game a bit?
    Yes, that's why in every place where there are excessive controls on the trade of goods, a black market is created. America was financed in its early years by smuggling. In fact, many of the founders were smugglers themselves.

    Because let's say a company were to dump some toxic waste into a river instead of spending money on proper disposal methods, this cuts on the cost, which in turn allows them to produce more. This in turn effects prices, giving them an edge on the competition.
    And doing this should, and rightfully is illegal as well as being immoral. I think we should have tougher stances on these issues, the consequence should be prison sentences not fines (go Ron Paul go); however, such regulations and consequences are perfectly in-line with capitalism and free trade.
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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    For instance, many people who are fervently capitalistic today say all regulation and all government welfare are bad. Hayke and Friedman, two pro-capitalist who many say turned them onto the idea of capitalism, disagree.
    Not all government regulation. But all government regulations that are not in the Constitution. Today that includes a great deal of what government does. If the departments and the regulations fulfill a role that is approved for government by the US Constitution then there is a limited place for them.
    And government welfare is bad. Hayek and Friedman notwithstanding. They are not allowed powers to the Federal government. Therefore they are extra-constitutional.

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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    You obviously don't know what the venus project is.
    I recognize it. Utopia. Opium for the masses. Tyranny with an attractive face. No thanks.

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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Companies are reducing staff, hiring temp workers that have lower pay and streamlining inefficient production.
    Temporary workers typically cost a business more than permanent hires. But the temps can be move back out of a company when the work is no longer there for them to do. It is much harder to fire a permanent employee. Not legally perhaps. But "morally".

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