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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Imbalance means someone likely gets the raw end of any deal.
    tell it to the massachusetts house

    House votes to restrict unions - Boston.com

    tell it to bing and bobb in detroit

    Detroit Moves Against Unions - WSJ.com

    tell it to gov quinn

    Governor Pat Quinn signs Illinois education reform bill into law, new rules effect school days, teacher strikes, tenure | abc7chicago.com

    tell it to cuomo and moonbeam

    Cuomo budget: $10 billion deficit cut, no new taxes, layoffs likely

    Brown Cuts 12.5 Billion

    Jerry Brown Abandons Ballot Initiative For Taxes East Bay Express

    you don't know what you're talking about

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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    I do not know why people still side with Capitalism
    vote obama, 2012!

    capitalism breeds people that are addicted to money and power!

    seeya at the polls, pals

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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    economic treason:

    The federal government's financial condition deteriorated rapidly last year, far beyond the $1.5 trillion in new debt taken on to finance the budget deficit, a USA TODAY analysis shows.

    The government added $5.3 trillion in new financial obligations in 2010, largely for retirement programs such as Medicare and Social Security. That brings to a record $61.6 trillion the total of financial promises not paid for.

    Medicare alone took on $1.8 trillion in new liabilities, more than the record deficit prompting heated debate between Congress and the White House over lifting the debt ceiling.

    Social Security added $1.4 trillion in obligations, partly reflecting longer life expectancies. Federal and military retirement programs added more to the financial hole, too.

    The $61.6 trillion in unfunded obligations amounts to $528,000 per household. That's more than five times what Americans have borrowed for everything else — mortgages, car loans and other debt. It reflects the challenge as the number of retirees soars over the next 20 years and seniors try to collect on those spending promises.
    U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions - USATODAY.com

    781 days since the party in power in upper parliament passed a budget---in times like these

    embarrassed yet?

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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    That's a nice simple statement, and I understand that. But the market isn't a formula.
    neither is anything else - "fair" is subjective. you could say a formula was "fair", but you would be pulling it out of the sky.

    And it has nothing to do with fair. It often has to do with advantage.
    actually price on the market has to do with the aggregate decision of all producers, sellers, and consumers. the price on the market represents what the people as a whole consider to be "fair".

    If business management hold the advantage, they can lower wages and have higher profit without anything being fair.
    if labor is not worth it's current wages, then that is the situation that isn't fair. if labor is worth more than it's current wages, then it can get those higher wages elsewhere, which is fair. if a business under pays it's employees, then its' competition will thus be able to destroy it as they will have all the quality people, and that, too, is fair.

    This is why workers need a voice as much as business. Balance between the two is good for all. Imbalance means someone likely gets the raw end of any deal.
    workers have just as much a voice as the business already. mutually beneficial trade requires at least two actors.

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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    People are more frugal with their money, in the middle of a depression, to avoid bankruptcy, because of overregulation by the government and they're committing treason?


    You have to understand that to the socialist left, people exist to serve the state and your individual wealth exists only to the extent that the greater good is best served by allowing you to keep some of it. If you object to being fed upon by the fleas and ticks who vote for your enlightened socialist overlords you are not a patriot but rather a "reactionary running dog who is "counterproductive" and "unenlightened"

    capiche Comrade?

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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by haymarket View Post
    I have no idea how anyone with even one foot in the real world can talk irrationally about "massive tax hikes" at a time when taxes on the rich are at a lower point than every in modern American history. Its like the real world is here and some folks seem to inhabit their own artificial reality which has no place in the real USA.
    remind me what share of the income tax burden the top one percent pay now. everyone else has lower tax burden is even lower now than it was so what are you whining about?

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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    I maybe mistaken but it seemed the author of this thread was surprised with this information. I do not know why people still side with Capitalism after reading story after story of people getting screwed over by the people with more money. As I have stated in the past, Capitalism breeds people that are addicted to money and power, and they will stop at nothing to achieve their fix. Rules and regulations are a waste of money and time, because eventually the addict will go around the rules to get what they need.

    I really think most people are clinically insane when it comes to this topic. They keep the same reasoning in their heads, expecting a different outcome each time. As long as there are financial incentives, people are going to continue to screw one another over, breeding the ideal that you have to look out for yourself.

    What information do you have to see in order to change your mind? Or do you blindly pledge to an ideal that is responsible for the god awful state that we are in now?
    winners and those who plan on being winners like capitalism. Those who are losers or have no desire to win are those who support socialism. That or those who pander to people such as you.

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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Interesting Libertarian perspective again
    You keep saying that, are you trying to be subtle and say you don't believe I'm a libertarian?

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    "fair" is determined by the market - the aggregate decision of every member of the involved industry, from producer to consumer.
    And Friedman, Hayke, and Smith all agree that no employer should willing offer a wage that can not sustain a man nor should any worker willing take said wage. This is where morality comes into play.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    why aren't they spending? Because of the mixed signals they get from the current regime
    You are too focused on one aspect instead of the entire picture. Its not mixed singles from the white house, its mixed singles caused by conflict between the white house and most dems and most republicans and some (a very small minority now) democrats. Its the uncertainty that CongressCare will be upheld in court, the uncertainty of the European Debt Crisis, on going unrest in the middle east, disruptions in supply chains, etc.

    To entirely blame 1 person for the woes of the WORLD is disingenuous, just like attributing the success of the world on 1 person is laughable.

    Quote Originally Posted by sookster View Post
    I maybe mistaken but it seemed the author of this thread was surprised with this information. I do not know why people still side with Capitalism after reading story after story of people getting screwed over by the people with more money.
    The problem is not Capitalism as it was "designed" but with how its been misconstrued by those with power. I'm of the belief that the system in which we live is naturally caused by capitalism meld with large pockets of power. However, capitalism is, by its vary nature, incompatible with large pockets of power and thus we haven't had a capitalistic society since at least the mid to late 1800s.

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    winners and those who plan on being winners like capitalism. Those who are losers or have no desire to win are those who support socialism. That or those who pander to people such as you.
    You are wrong. The problem is that socialism, in its pure Marxist form, is a direct result of the failure, an inevitability I may add given human nature, of Capitalism to remain pure. Re-read the statement so your head doesn't explode.

    Power will use any system that is popular in order to further its own cause. During the mid to late 1800s, Capitalism was abused to create monopolies, sometimes with the backing or head-nod of the state (Railroads), other times caused by the failures of intellect of the competition (Western Union for instance), and sometimes out of pure necessity (privately operated and controlled Utilities, harbors, etc). Capitalism, while also fostering an unprecedented growth, innovation, and increase of the standard of living, the disparities between the "haves and have nots" was show in even more stark contrast. Our western sensibilities could not handle the contrast, and our inability to wait lead to the rise of socialism during this time, mainly in Germany. Those with power clung to socialism because it gave them greater control of affairs with justification. It wasn't until the end of WWII that the pendulum swung back to capitalism, albeit in a weaker form because those with power would not relinquish their gains (pre 1850ish). The Cold War solidified the public's aversion to socialism (and rightfully so) and lead to socialism's evolution to Welfareism. Welfarism has been used by the powerful to finally cast aside most of the chains of morality, this true. Had it been for crisis of the 70s and 80s, probably would have succeeded in using welfare to justify all sorts of private evils. The programs aim's weren't the cause of this, but the programs did tend to foster apathy and disengagement.

    But what should be clear to any observer of history, is that power, while being amoral (good nor evil), is readily used by the selfish to no longer need to be moral. Capitalism demands morality, with it Capitalism cannot exist, and won't be allowed to exist.
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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    winners and those who plan on being winners like capitalism. Those who are losers or have no desire to win are those who support socialism. That or those who pander to people such as you.
    "This shows me you are unaware of the world around you. For it is this false perception that fuels the current system. People want to cling onto the ideal that people have more ability if they are making the most money. They cling onto this for a multitude of reasons, but the primary one is because they want to have the possibility of being the uber rich themselves. This is exactly what the ultra rich and ruling class want you to think. That way, the system does not change, and the people with all the wealth and power remain where they are.

    I think everyone who shares this false perception, probably understand financial incentives. There is no financial incentive for these people to give up their stance. Meaning, there is no way you will become the ultra rich. None. It doesn't matter if you have the most intellectual ability ever to grace the human race. If you were to come up with an original idea, they would probably just buy it off of you.

    Keep thinking the way you think, and everything will stay as it is. People are going to constantly starve, people are going to constantly be used for the profit of the few. I would advise to take the wisdom of Rage Against the Machine and just Wake Up."

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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Capitalism is intrinsically flawed. It promotes individualism at all costs, which in turn forces people in the society to think this way to survive. As a result, no matter the rules of the game you put in, there will be the ones that will get more no matter the cost. No matter what form of Capitalism you produce, there will be atrocities for profit. Period.

    It is time to Wake Up people, and see that we need an alternative. It doesn't have to be Communism, it doesn't have to be Socialism either, as there is an ideal out there that uses "The Scientific Method for social concern." That to me, is what makes the most sense. It is called The Resource Based Economy, and it is being developed by The Venus Project.

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