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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    He'll have to speak for himself.
    Quote Originally Posted by IRON
    Even if corporations are making more (beside the cronies) which I really doubt, who in there right mind thinks that even higher taxes and even more regulations (we already have the 2nd highest corporate rate in the world) are going to improve things for workers? Get your Damn grubby hands of my damn wallet and stay the hell out of my household you totalitarian Liberals. Face it your ideology has failed completely.
    Look at the damn economy, Jobs, housing market, cost of energy ect ect.

    The proof is there for us all to see but ideology (no matter how utterly incoherent) is more important to these Liberals than truth or facts.
    You a mind reader, Grant? What proof is for all to see...according to Mr. Iron! Proof of what?

    I don't care about liberal this and conservative that. Government ain't our friend, no matter what the party or political philosophy.

    Where do I start the debate? I see Mr. Iron is mad as hell and his reasons for our broken economy is TOTALITARIAN LIBERALS. Oh really? What the hell does that mean?

    What it means to me is...where is he getting all of this totalitarian liberal...country wrecking nonsense. Oh, I forgot. A radio guy.

    Both side of the political spectrum are responsible for everything that's affected our country's ups and many downs since George Washington. They are ALL Guilty!

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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    Let me help you out just a bit: Mark Levin



    Landmark Legal is a regular friend of the court in important legal proceedings in our Federal Court system. Whether you like him or not he is a force to be reckoned with, on air and in the courts.


    Sounds reasonable.
    In the end...he's a radio commentary guy. He voices opinions, you know like all of his broadcast peers. He, like all of the others in his business. They are really happy when folks can't or don't discern fact from opinion. It all sounds so real. But when they are called on their BS. Then they acknowledge that their comments were opinion. Some will even say that their job is to entertain.

    I've seen Mark Levin speak. I clearly get the gist of what is background is and his political philosophies. But that doesn't make him the do all to end all political expert. He's a legal guy. That was his relationship to the Reagan admin.
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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    You a mind reader, Grant? What proof is for all to see...according to Mr. Iron! Proof of what?
    I have no idea what you're talking about.
    I don't care about liberal this and conservative that. Government ain't our friend, no matter what the party or political philosophy.
    You should care because some political philosophies are a great deal different than others.
    Where do I start the debate? I see Mr. Iron is mad as hell and his reasons for our broken economy is TOTALITARIAN LIBERALS. Oh really? What the hell does that mean?
    It means Liberals who tend toward Totalitarianism.We've seen that repeatedly in the past, and today.
    What it means to me is...where is he getting all of this totalitarian liberal...country wrecking nonsense. Oh, I forgot. A radio guy.
    You forget easily it seems.

    But yes, Levin is a radio guy, a TV guy and a book guy. He's been in many types of media. Does it matter that one of them is radio?

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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    I have no idea what you're talking about.
    Good, neither did I concerning "Iron Yanks" rants. That was my point to him. That's why I asked him to provide sources for his claims.

    I can't read his mind, and I'd bet you can't either. His argument was loaded full of raging opinions that he was posing to be as universal facts.

    You should care because some political philosophies are a great deal different than others.
    So your philosophy rules and has more value than all others?

    It means Liberals who tend toward Totalitarianism.We've seen that repeatedly in the past, and today.
    B.S. Complete and total B.S. This country has never experienced totalitarianism under either political party. Corruption and Cronyism...oh hell yes. Both are totally guilty!

    If you want to continue making that claim...then I invite you to prove it.

    But yes, Levin is a radio guy, a TV guy and a book guy. He's been in many types of media. Does it matter that one of them is radio?
    Once again...so-called pundit type broadcast personalities LOVE when people are either ignorant and can't discern the difference between opinion and fact. And they value fans who just won't care if their content is opinion or fact. But both types have one thing in common. They will believe opinions to be facts.

    Do you believe everything you hear from Mark Levin...without question or reservation? And the same question applies to any other "political pundit" that you might adore.

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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    In the end...he's a radio commentary guy.
    How does he differ from any author? Especially since he is the author of several important books?

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    But that doesn't make him the do all to end all political expert. He's a legal guy. That was his relationship to the Reagan admin.
    Was that argument offered? I don't think so. i have listened to him frequently. I look forward to hearing his viewpoint. His perspective is similar to my own. This government, by contract, is a constitutionally-limited government. It is breaking the contract. We need to put in politicians who will return to the contract.

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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    How does he differ from any author? Especially since he is the author of several important books?


    Was that argument offered? I don't think so. i have listened to him frequently. I look forward to hearing his viewpoint. His perspective is similar to my own. This government, by contract, is a constitutionally-limited government. It is breaking the contract. We need to put in politicians who will return to the contract.
    Good, ask him. Iron Yank is making some pretty strong accusations. Looks like he's got plenty to say. Thus far his rant isn't making much sense. Or should I say, IN MY OPINION, he doesn't offer any meaningful content.

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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by solletica View Post
    Totally inaccurate. The effect on the market for jobs of lower taxes on corporations depends on the nature of the tax (i. e. lowering excise taxes vs. lowering income taxes).

    Just lowering the income tax rates for businesses does not necessarily translate to more jobs. Businesses operating in their current state typically hire based on the point at which the marginal cost of an additional employee equals that employee's marginal revenue, and no more. The income tax rate doesn't change that point.

    And any excess funds will be invested in areas that yield the greatest return, and that may not necessarily be in expansion in areas that hire more labor.

    The notion of "trickle down" economics is just more propoganda for the dumbed down masses.
    I was explaining how trickle down is suppose to work. I never said it did.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    Goverment (Liberal) policy has more to do with the average worker not making more than corporations being greedy, Obama pissed away a Trillon dollar stimulous that created no jobs, the regulations his EPA & other goverment agencies are choking off & bankrupting business. I could go on & on but instead of addressing the issues you throw out an incoherant post accusing me of throwing out rhetoric, so whats the point of trying to explain it to you.
    Environmental policy/protection is one of the few things the government should actually be involved with. Also, regulations in and of themselves aren't contrary to classical liberal principals of the free market. Maybe you need to re-read The Wealth of Nations, The Road to Serfdom, and Free to Choose? And if you haven't read these books, you need to or else you'll be sucker to those who would misappropriate their views for personal gain.

    Quote Originally Posted by Iron Yank View Post
    Where the hell have you been, living under a rock for the last few years? GE paid no taxes in 2010 and had a several billion dollar profit, King Obama has been handing out exemptions to Obamacare to his favorite constituents like candy at a parade, ect ect. this has all been in the news recently, apparently you havent been paying attention & I dont have all day here to post them all because there are so many.

    As far as the regulations on small bussiness and such, I can give you one recent example. Go to Mark Levins website under audio & download his 6-13 program & listen to the callers that call in and explain some of the crap they are forcing painters to go thru. There is so much out there if you want to find it.
    You do know the exemptions given out aren't exemptions for the entire Health Care law right? They only target the bridge from now until 2014. When 2014 hits, everyone will be affected equally, no exceptions. Faux News has been notoriously distorting this as well as Obama's "bump in the road" statement and it really is borderline propaganda.
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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Environmental policy/protection is one of the few things the government should actually be involved with.
    true, but most americans would prefer the govt go about it intelligently

    william daley is barack the slasher's most recent chief of staff

    wapo today:

    It was supposed to be the White House’s latest make-nice session with corporate America — a visit by Chief of Staff William M. Daley to a meeting with hundreds of manufacturing executives in town to press lawmakers for looser regulations.

    But the outreach soon turned into a rare public dressing down of the president’s policies with his highest-ranking aide.

    One by one, exasperated executives stood to air their grievances on environmental regulations and stalled free-trade deals. And Daley, the former banker tasked with building ties with industry, found himself looking for the right balance between empathy and defending his boss.

    At one point, the room erupted in applause when Massachusetts manufacturing executive Doug Starrett, his voice shaking with emotion, accused the administration of blocking construction on one of his facilities to protect fish, saying government “throws sand into the gears of progress.”

    Daley said he did not have many good answers, appearing to throw up his hands in frustration at what he called “bureaucratic stuff that’s hard to defend.”

    “Sometimes you can’t defend the indefensible,” he said.

    When a paper company executive said Environmental Protection Agency regulations might cost her $10 million to $15 million to upgrade a mill, Daley said the number of rules and regulations “that come out of agencies is overwhelming.”

    Later, he added: “We’re trying to bring some rationality to it.”
    White House's Daley seeks balance in outreach meeting with manufacturers - The Washington Post

    spin, anyone?

    Faux News has been notoriously distorting this
    you really don't know what you're talking about, it's laughable

    how could anyone be unaware of where a person like those you correspond with goes to get his or her links

    it's certainly not fox

    as well as Obama's "bump in the road" statement
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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Good, neither did I concerning "Iron Yanks" rants. That was my point to him. That's why I asked him to provide sources for his claims.
    If you have a problem with his 'rants' then address that problem to him, not me.
    I can't read his mind, and I'd bet you can't either. His argument was loaded full of raging opinions that he was posing to be as universal facts.
    Again. express your concerns to him.


    So your philosophy rules and has more value than all others?
    Yes, unless I hear a convincing argument to the contrary.


    B.S. Complete and total B.S. This country has never experienced totalitarianism under either political party. Corruption and Cronyism...oh hell yes. Both are totally guilty!
    I didn't mention any country.
    If you want to continue making that claim...then I invite you to prove it.
    What claim would that be? Do you want to clarify that?



    Once again...so-called pundit type broadcast personalities LOVE when people are either ignorant and can't discern the difference between opinion and fact. And they value fans who just won't care if their content is opinion or fact. But both types have one thing in common. They will believe opinions to be facts.
    Perhaps you can be specific, distinguish between the two, and a debate can ensue. But as it is there is nothing to debate..

    Do you believe everything you hear from Mark Levin...without question or reservation? And the same question applies to any other "political pundit" that you might adore.
    Actually i'm not that familiar with him but I doubt I'd believe everything anyone says..

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    Re: As Corporate Profits Soar, Workers are Making Less!

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    A fair days work for a fair days pay.
    "fair" is determined by the market - the aggregate decision of every member of the involved industry, from producer to consumer.

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