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    Re: More physicians leaving private practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I am against both, I think insurance is a scam. But government forces car insurance. It doesn't matter if I "choose" to buy a car (something I should be more than free to do anyway). As soon as I want to use that car, I have to have insurance. Car insurance is devised o protect "others" against damages by aggregating risk of accident over a larger block of people (of course, once you cover everybody, you've no longer aggregated risk as you'll just realize the statistical probabilities of the system). It's the same rational behind health insurance. And the same scam in the end. Obama's package is a give away to the insurance companies.

    Also, what State does not require some amount of car insurance in order to legally drive?

    New Hampshire, and Wisconsin are two of them, I thought Tennessee but that may have changed since I was there.

    But the fact remains that this is a state mandated thing.

    Can you tell me what else the Federal Government requires that I buy as a part of being a citizen of the US?

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    Re: More physicians leaving private practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    And people choose to go to the doctor. So what? You can stay at home and silently die as well; you made a choice. Now it may be along the same line as a car, because some people depend on their car for their livelihood. But that aside, the statement, and please read carefully here, was that government can't force someone to buy anything. To which I said, that's false because they do force us to buy a lot. Car insurance is but one example of government mandated purchases for an individual using their own property. It is government forcing the individual to buy something; and it happens a lot.
    There is a difference though. It is not a good comparison because in the case of car insurance, another choice is involved. A person has to decide to drive (which requires purchasing a license to do so from the government to begin with) and then purchase a car to drive. They are making choices and accepting the terms that come with those choices, including purchasing car insurance. Driving a car is a privilege that many Americans take for granted because of where we live. There are countries where very few people are allowed to have a driver's license. And some of those are countries we would still consider to be very free nations.

    Unfortunately, there are a lot of people who still do not get car insurance and get into accidents they are responsible for and we see what danger and hassles come from these situations.

    The purchase of health insurance involves no actual choice in between. A person has to give up life in order to not have to purchase the insurance without facing the penalty, unlike driving where they would merely be giving up their privilege to drive.
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    Re: More physicians leaving private practices

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    New Hampshire, and Wisconsin are two of them, I thought Tennessee but that may have changed since I was there.

    But the fact remains that this is a state mandated thing.

    Can you tell me what else the Federal Government requires that I buy as a part of being a citizen of the US?

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    Re: More physicians leaving private practices

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    Yes. You're required to buy over 800 bases in foreign countries as part of our overly aggressive "foreign policy".

    Red herring. You are equating tax money expenditure, and one that is constitutionally mandated in the enumerated powers, to buying state insurance coverage on a car?

    You really think we are that stupid?

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    Re: More physicians leaving private practices

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    New Hampshire, and Wisconsin are two of them, I thought Tennessee but that may have changed since I was there.

    But the fact remains that this is a state mandated thing.

    Can you tell me what else the Federal Government requires that I buy as a part of being a citizen of the US?

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    Medicade, Medicare, Social Security, standing military, infrastructure, subsidies, etc.
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    Re: More physicians leaving private practices

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There is a difference though. It is not a good comparison because in the case of car insurance, another choice is involved.
    You choose to go to the doctor, that's another choice which is involved.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    The purchase of health insurance involves no actual choice in between. A person has to give up life in order to not have to purchase the insurance without facing the penalty, unlike driving where they would merely be giving up their privilege to drive.
    People don't always go to the doctor for life threatening things. That's more emergency room, and we all pay for that via taxes. We don't turn anyone down at the emergency room.
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    Re: More physicians leaving private practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Medicade, Medicare, Social Security, standing military, infrastructure, subsidies, etc.

    Apples to basketballs again. these are things taken out in taxation. Not something you are mandated to pay for of face penalty....Now you can argue that you face a penalty if you don't pay your taxes, and that is correct, but in this health care flap, Obama originally sold it by saying it wasn't a new tax, and only when he was getting hammered in court by the states did he start shifting and saying it was....

    Can't have it both ways man....

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    Re: More physicians leaving private practices

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    New Hampshire, and Wisconsin are two of them, I thought Tennessee but that may have changed since I was there.

    But the fact remains that this is a state mandated thing.

    Can you tell me what else the Federal Government requires that I buy as a part of being a citizen of the US?

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    Re: More physicians leaving private practices

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    New Hampshire, and Wisconsin are two of them, I thought Tennessee but that may have changed since I was there.
    Oh, BTW, minimum required insurance by state (The first two numbers refer to bodily injury liability limits and the third number refers to the property damage liability limit. The first two numbers in 25/50/20 would mean in an accident each person injured would receive a maximum of up to 25,000 with only 50,000 allowed per accident (ex. 2 people needing 25,000, if the need is more such as 3 people needing 25,000 then whoever files first gets first access to the 50,000 limit and you may be sued for the rest if the accident was your fault!). The last number refers to the total coverage per accident for property damage which in this case would be 20,000.)

    # Alaska 50/100/25
    # Alabama 20/40/10
    # Arkansas 25/50/15
    # Arizona 15/30/10
    # California 15/30/5
    # Colorado 25/50/15
    # Connecticut 20/40/10
    # Delaware 15/30/5
    # Florida 10/20/10
    # Georgia 15/30/10
    # Hawaii 20/40/10
    # Idaho 20/50/15
    # Illinois 20/40/15
    # Indiana 25/50/10
    # Iowa 20/40/15
    # Kansas 25/50/10
    # Kentucky 25/50/10
    # Louisiana 10/20/10
    # Maine 50/100/25
    # Maryland 20/40/10
    # Massachusetts 20/40/5
    # Michigan 20/40/10
    # Minnesota 30/60/10
    # Mississippi 25/50/25
    # Missouri 25/50/10
    # Montana 25/50/10
    # Nebraska 25/50/25
    # New Hampshire 25/50/25
    # New Jersey 15/30/5
    # New Mexico 25/50/10
    # Nevada 15/30/10
    # New York 25/50/10
    # North Carolina 30/60/25
    # North Dakota 25/50/25
    # Ohio 12.5/25/7.5
    # Oklahoma 10/20/10
    # Oregon 25/50/10
    # Pennsylvania 15/30/5
    # Rhode Island 25/50/25
    # South Carolina 25/50/25
    # South Dakota 25/50/25
    # Tennessee 25/50/10
    # Texas 30/60/25
    # Utah 25/65/15
    # Virginia 25/50/20
    # Vermont 25/50/10
    # Washington 25/50/10
    # Wisconsin 25/50/10
    # West Virginia 20/40/10
    # Wyoming 25/50/20

    I don't see any 0 values for New Hampshire nor Wisconsin.
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    Re: More physicians leaving private practices

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    New Hampshire, and Wisconsin are two of them, I thought Tennessee but that may have changed since I was there.

    But the fact remains that this is a state mandated thing.

    Can you tell me what else the Federal Government requires that I buy as a part of being a citizen of the US?

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    now only new hampshire excludes this as a requirement
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