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    Re: More physicians leaving private practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Really? Don't they force us all to buy car insurance?
    But not cars
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    Re: More physicians leaving private practices

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not me. I don't have a driver's license, so I don't have to buy car insurance. If I choose to never get a driver's license, I will never need insurance.

    The only way to not need health insurance is to stop living. Health insurance mandates are not comparable to auto insurance.
    Oh? Or are we just being dishonest. If I want to drive, I have to have insurance. The government forces me to buy that. The statement was "tThe government can't force people to buy something. " But the government forces us to buy a lot of stuff. Car insurance included. Thanks for playing.
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    Re: More physicians leaving private practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Really? Don't they force us all to buy car insurance?

    First of all, that would be the state, and not all states demand that.

    Second, Driving is a privilege you don't have to get car insurance if you don't drive a car.

    Lastly, Car Insurance is devised to protect others against damages they may incur from your driving.

    I would think that if you really were a Libertarian true to the letter, you'd be against both.

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    Re: More physicians leaving private practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    But not cars
    Nope, but as soon as I buy the car and want to take it on the road, the government forces me to buy insurance. The government forces me to buy a lot of things. A standing military, a medicade/medicare system, social security system, etc. I don't get a choice in this, I don't get to say where my tax dollars go. If I want to be a doctor, I have to have malpractice insurance. Who enforces that? Government. I could very well not be a doctor, but that doesn't mean that the government still doesn't force doctors to have malpractice insurance. I can choose not to have a car, but that doesn't mean the government does not force drivers to have insurance.
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    Re: More physicians leaving private practices

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    The next step after consolidation will be for Big Government to go after Big Hospital.
    Because the sole goal of health care reform is to decimate all health care so that Americans die early deaths. And you'll never stop us! Mwahahahahahahaha! *twirls moustache*
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    Re: More physicians leaving private practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Whovian View Post
    I disagree. The problem is not fewer medical school students due to not enough medical schools... it's that more and more graduating medical students are going into specialties and not into a primary care practice.
    That is also true, and is another problem that needs to be addressed. But I think it might be easier to simply increase the total number of doctors (by increasing the number and capacity of medical schools) than it will be to reform the incentives so that general care is as lucrative as specializations. Not to say that we shouldn't work on incentives too...but I think any effort to make general care relatively more attractive for aspiring doctors is going to face a lot of resistance in Congress among those who don't want any government involvement in health care at all. Whereas building more medical schools, or increasing the capacity of existing ones, should be relatively non-ideological and uncontroversial (despite intense opposition from the AMA).
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    Re: More physicians leaving private practices

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    If anything, one would think they would have better access to diagnostic equipment.

    Better equipment, better hours plus there are other doctors around if they need to consult with them.
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    Re: More physicians leaving private practices

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    First of all, that would be the state, and not all states demand that.

    Second, Driving is a privilege you don't have to get car insurance if you don't drive a car.

    Lastly, Car Insurance is devised to protect others against damages they may incur from your driving.

    I would think that if you really were a Libertarian true to the letter, you'd be against both.

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    I am against both, I think insurance is a scam. But government forces car insurance. It doesn't matter if I "choose" to buy a car (something I should be more than free to do anyway). As soon as I want to use that car, I have to have insurance. Car insurance is devised o protect "others" against damages by aggregating risk of accident over a larger block of people (of course, once you cover everybody, you've no longer aggregated risk as you'll just realize the statistical probabilities of the system). It's the same rational behind health insurance. And the same scam in the end. Obama's package is a give away to the insurance companies.

    Also, what State does not require some amount of car insurance in order to legally drive?
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    Re: More physicians leaving private practices

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Oh? Or are we just being dishonest. If I want to drive, I have to have insurance. The government forces me to buy that. The statement was "tThe government can't force people to buy something. " But the government forces us to buy a lot of stuff. Car insurance included. Thanks for playing.
    No. I do not pay car insurance or any other insurance because I don't have a driver's license.

    The requirement of having to have car insurance or driver's insurance involves another decision on the part of the person that it required of, and that is to actually have a driver's license. If they choose not to have a driver's license, they do not need driver's insurance. You don't have to drive.

    There is no actual choice involved though in the matter of requiring health insurance, since it is solely dependent on whether the person is living or not. Unless you are trying to say that a person can choose to die rather than buy life insurance or face the penalty.

    I am all for UHC. I think that would be the best way to go. I am against mandating people purchase health insurance. Such a mandate involves an unnecessary middleman.
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    Re: More physicians leaving private practices

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No. I do not pay car insurance or any other insurance because I don't have a driver's license.

    The requirement of having to have car insurance or driver's insurance involves another decision on the part of the person that it required of, and that is to actually have a driver's license. If they choose not to have a driver's license, they do not need driver's insurance. You don't have to drive.

    There is no actual choice involved though in the matter of requiring health insurance, since it is solely dependent on whether the person is living or not. Unless you are trying to say that a person can choose to die rather than buy life insurance or face the penalty.

    I am all for UHC. I think that would be the best way to go. I am against mandating people purchase health insurance. Such a mandate involves an unnecessary middleman.
    And people choose to go to the doctor. So what? You can stay at home and silently die as well; you made a choice. Now it may be along the same line as a car, because some people depend on their car for their livelihood. But that aside, the statement, and please read carefully here, was that government can't force someone to buy anything. To which I said, that's false because they do force us to buy a lot. Car insurance is but one example of government mandated purchases for an individual using their own property. It is government forcing the individual to buy something; and it happens a lot.
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