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    Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court Upholds Anti-Union Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Such a determination should have been made by a court -- not via legislative nullification.
    The legislative branch of most states can nullify a contract for any reason.
    It's in their power to do so.
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    Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court Upholds Anti-Union Bill

    I'm not saying that they don't have the power to do so. They obviously do, or else the unions wouldn't have bothered with the penny-ante tactics and gone right for the heart of the matter.

    I'm saying "should." As in, what would've been the right thing in my opinion. The law and what's right quite often do not agree in the slightest.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court Upholds Anti-Union Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    I'm not saying that they don't have the power to do so. They obviously do, or else the unions wouldn't have bothered with the penny-ante tactics and gone right for the heart of the matter.

    I'm saying "should." As in, what would've been the right thing in my opinion. The law and what's right quite often do not agree in the slightest.
    Oh I agree but I think it's incredibly unethical for states to have unionized employees.
    It's a relatively new phenomenon too.

    In previous decades, even the unions thought that state worker unions were wrong.
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    Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court Upholds Anti-Union Bill

    I can't say I disagree with you there.

    I do think that it's essential for law enforcement professionals to have a certain measure of representation to protect their interests while they risk their necks -- and I'll admit some bias here, I come from a cop family. Even so, the current situation with public unions (law enforcement unions included) is out of hand.
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    Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court Upholds Anti-Union Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Misterveritis View Post
    In your opinion how would that happen? How would corporate America "take over"?

    Once corporate regulation fails, larger corporations will monopolize into one big WalMart giant where you buy everything. The new Company store. The store where everybody works for, buys from. With total control of labor and food and military, the US government will fall, as there will be no taxes to run it. It will be phased out. Capitalism is all about the one Winner at the top takes all. Monsanto for instance controls all crops by gobbling up all patents to seed, & going global. The military is already a corporate tool, and does nothing for you, does not protect you, does not die for you.

    In your mind is "corporate America" the same thing as the "federal government"?
    Only in the sense of manipulation to power and total control of America, by using paid dupes-represenatatives to usher in the takeover. Like Saddam, with the fall, they will be led out into the streets and shot one by one in front of the people.
    Is it a single entity with a President? Where does "corporate America" get its power? How would it make me do anything?
    I am not a conspirator, it could be anyone among the top ten in the entire world. I don't think it is just happening by accident or without direction.

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    Yes President after President defying Congress and murdering people. Hmm, Iraq was limited as well, we would be in an out we were told. Look at what you have. A Congress that says the Commander doesn't have the power, and the the US military, your neighbors in uniform, following orders. Hopefully you can figure it out, as I don't have all the answers, I just see the pattern and where it is going.
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    Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court Upholds Anti-Union Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    The legislative branch of most states can nullify a contract for any reason.
    It's in their power to do so.
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    Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court Upholds Anti-Union Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by shintao View Post
    I am not a conspirator, it could be anyone among the top ten in the entire world. I don't think it is just happening by accident or without direction.

    Just follow along with the evidence below. They are like pieces of a puzzle falling into place.

    BlackWater New Orleans

    BlackWater Gulf Coast FEMA


    1 Hour Ago: "The administration plans to keep running military operations in Libya even if Congress doesn't approve, saying the U.S. role is limited and does not violate the War Powers Act."


    Libya and Congress: Libya operation will proceed despite pressure from Congress, Obama aide says - latimes.com

    Yes President after President defying Congress and murdering people. Hmm, Iraq was limited as well, we would be in an out we were told. Look at what you have. A Congress that says the Commander doesn't have the power, and the the US military, your neighbors in uniform, following orders. Hopefully you can figure it out, as I don't have all the answers, I just see the pattern and where it is going.
    .... is the Mossad behind it, Shintao?

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    Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court Upholds Anti-Union Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by shintao View Post
    I am not a conspirator, it could be anyone among the top ten in the entire world. I don't think it is just happening by accident or without direction.
    So how is this Corporate America taking over?

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    Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court Upholds Anti-Union Bill

    yesterday:

    U.S. state and local governments will need to raise taxes by $1,398 per household every year for the next 30 years if they are to fully fund their pension systems, a study released on Wednesday said.

    The study, co-authored by Joshua Rauh of Northwestern University and Robert Novy-Marx of the University of Rochester, both of whom are finance professors, argues that states will have to cut services or raise taxes to make up funding gaps if promises made to municipal employees are to be honored.

    Pension funding in U.S. cities and states has deteriorated in the wake of the 2007-2009 economic recession as investment earnings dropped, and some states, such as New Jersey and Illinois, skipped or reduced required payments.
    CNBC: $1400 Tax Hike Needed to Fund Pensions

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    Re: Wisconsin Supreme Court Upholds Anti-Union Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    BBC News - Wisconsin Supreme Court upholds anti-union bill


    The Wisconsin Supreme Court has upheld a law stripping most public employees' collective bargaining rights.

    In a 4-3 decision, the court ruled a lower court judge had improperly interfered in the legislative process when she overturned the law.

    In May, Judge Maryann Sumi ruled that Republicans violated open meetings laws in their haste to pass the bill.

    Republicans said the bill was needed to cut public spending. Democrats said it was an attack on pro-Democratic unions.
    I think it would be dishonest to say Republicans don't have a political agenda to reducing union influence here. They do want to cut the money source that is flowing to the Democrates whichever way they can. But on the other hand there is the legitimate question of "is union getting too big"? If the seniority system of a union makes a business less efficient then that should definitely be changed. In other words union needs to change to be more efficient in several areas. But abolishing it entirely is swinging the pendulum the other way. The very existence of union is to ensure worker rights and needs are protected. Taking it down completely will probably push the country back to the 50s where worker's rights are almost non-existent. I believe too much union isn't good, taking it all out will also do enormous harm.

    We need union, just a more efficient version.

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