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    Re: Michele Bachmann announces presidential campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    A company that is losing money can be profitable... that isn't an insane statement... I can keep explaining it, back and forth, but you won't get it. lol. Companies loss money all the time, on certain investments, on certain depts, etc. It isn't rare for a company to loss money and still turn a profit.
    If they are "losing money" that means negative total net income (The term "bottom line" refers to the net income at the bottom of their Income Statement), regardless what small profits individual departments may make in their revenue lines.

    Having revenue != making profits.
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    Re: Michele Bachmann announces presidential campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    A company that is losing money can be profitable... that isn't an insane statement... I can keep explaining it, back and forth, but you won't get it. lol. Companies loss money all the time, on certain investments, on certain depts, etc. It isn't rare for a company to loss money and still turn a profit.
    No. all you're doing is moving the goal posts, such as listing expenses, future profits, different departments within a company, etc.

    Bottom line is that a company which is not making profits is either breaking even or losing money. We use these words to mean particular things and profits and losses have substantially different meanings.

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    Re: Michele Bachmann announces presidential campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    A company that is losing money can be profitable... that isn't an insane statement... I can keep explaining it, back and forth, but you won't get it. lol. Companies loss money all the time, on certain investments, on certain depts, etc. It isn't rare for a company to loss money and still turn a profit.
    Given my renewed appreciation for how hard communications are I will accept your statement and move on.

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    Re: Michele Bachmann announces presidential campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If they made a profit they didn't lose money.
    There you go again...

    You're wrong. Dead wrong. A company can have losses in profit, but still break even... slumping sales, decrease in gains, but still not in the red.

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    Re: Michele Bachmann announces presidential campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No. all you're doing is moving the goal posts, such as listing expenses, future profits, different departments within a company, etc.

    Bottom line is that a company which is not making profits is either breaking even or losing money. We use these words to mean particular things and profits and losses have substantially different meanings.
    Let's not get off topic, somebody claimed Chrysler was not profitable because they reported losses, and losses where exactly?? I am not sure. But making a claim like that was flawed. The company is profitable if you look at their stock portfolio and that's because analysts have went over the financial statements, calculated financial ratios, and determined the company is a good investment still... in order words, wall st analysts are saying the company is profitable, therefore people invest in it and expect a profit.

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    Re: Michele Bachmann announces presidential campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    No. all you're doing is moving the goal posts, such as listing expenses, future profits, different departments within a company, etc.

    Bottom line is that a company which is not making profits is either breaking even or losing money. We use these words to mean particular things and profits and losses have substantially different meanings.
    In addition, I am not moving the goal posts. I am explaining that "losses" can mean a plethora of things... you're just assuming it means one thing.

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    Re: Michele Bachmann announces presidential campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    In addition, I am not moving the goal posts. I am explaining that "losses" can mean a plethora of things... you're just assuming it means one thing.
    Yes, I am assuming "losses" mean "losses".

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    Re: Michele Bachmann announces presidential campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, I am assuming "losses" mean "losses".
    It's finally came to this...

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    Noun 1. financial loss - loss of money or decrease in financial value
    nonpayment, nonremittal, default - loss resulting from failure of a debt to be paid
    capital loss - the amount by which the purchase price of an asset exceeds the selling price; the loss is realized when the asset is sold
    loss - something that is lost; "the car was a total loss"; "loss of livestock left the rancher bankrupt"
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    In finance, a loss is a loss in money... That's all it ****ing means. It doesn't mean "incapable of profit."

    Now you're going to keep telling me that I am moving the goal post, and I am not. I am simply explaining what financial losses are... Financial loss can refer to a a number of financial situations. There are hundreds of different financial losses a company can have... "A loss" doesn't simply mean it's not profitable. If a company is not profitable, it would be reporting losses... but it's backward to think that every company reporting losses means it's not profitable.

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    Re: Michele Bachmann announces presidential campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by Lachean View Post
    If they are "losing money" that means negative total net income (The term "bottom line" refers to the net income at the bottom of their Income Statement), regardless what small profits individual departments may make in their revenue lines.

    Having revenue != making profits.
    No, that's not what losing money means... A company can be "losing money" due to slumping sales, meaning when you calculate their profitability margin there will be a decrease in the margin (say from 20% down to 10%... i.e. they went from making a profit of 10 cents for every dollar of goods sold, to making 20 cents for every dollar of goods sold.) That means they are losing money due to lost sales revenue. However, it doesn't exactly mean that net income is negative. It would most likely mean that revenue fell... fell by 10 to 15% or so. When a company is reporting a net operating loss, then it's bottom line is in the red, and the company can potentially become illiquid and unprofitable.

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    Re: Michele Bachmann announces presidential campaign

    Quote Originally Posted by SheWolf View Post
    No, that's not what losing money means... A company can be "losing money" due to slumping sales, meaning when you calculate their profitability margin there will be a decrease in the margin (say from 20% down to 10%... i.e. they went from making a profit of 10 cents for every dollar of goods sold, to making 20 cents for every dollar of goods sold.) That means they are losing money due to lost sales revenue. However, it doesn't exactly mean that net income is negative. It would most likely mean that revenue fell... fell by 10 to 15% or so. When a company is reporting a net operating loss, then it's bottom line is in the red, and the company can potentially become illiquid and unprofitable.

    Ok, I think I get the gist of what you are saying here...You are trying to portray that losses in a company can be in one area, and not in another, therefore while still effecting the bottom line, not making the company a loser overall. On that I think everyone can get it, but is that really what we are talking about here? I mean this thread has either gone waaaaaay off the rails, or this entire line of thought is a purposeful diversion.

    Besides, if a company looses in one area, but makes it up in another, then they are not in the "red" so to speak, but they do get to write those losses off in their tax filing do they not?

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