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    Re: Weiner seeks treatment, leave of absence from House

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Foley and Lee resigned over similar, if not even less atrocious, circumstances involving lewd and inappropriate communications. They didn't lie about it so blatantly, if at all, either.

    Repubs are already where Democrats need to be when it comes to accountability for matters such as this.
    Really? what about Vitter?

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Why the moral equivalance? We aren't talking about anyone other than Weiner right now, but if you really want to use the "they did too" excuse to justify Weiner's degenerate actions, including contacting a 17 year old high school Junior, then by all means destroy your own credibility as well.

    Think about it one of the staunchest libs here has called for his resigination. And he should, then he should be investigated, and if a crime has been committed, arrested and tried.

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    I'm not excusing him, I'm simply saying you can't have it both ways. If you want him to resign, then you should hold everyone to the same standard. Personally, I wouldn't ask a congressman who had sex with his wife's sister. Personal life is largely personal. Now if the same person used staffers to cover it up and bribed people then I would ask for his resignation.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    The calls for him to resign are not only coming from both parties in the halls of congress, but in here as well. For that I say to those liberals calling for this, thank you for your commendable pleas.

    In that spirit, I at the time think I called for Viter to go, and if I didn't, then I do now. these people, regardless of party are not displaying the ethics to hold their offices.



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    Good for you. Thats what I'm talking about. Keep the same standard.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    I will disagree. Right or wrong, simple violations of marriage vows, whether true love or flipping a few Benjamins, are standard man-woman relations. Just ask Bill Clinton.

    Texting unknowns with sexual messages and images, and such as phone sex, or any other such similar behavior, is a much more deviant behavior IMMHO.
    Really!? A person who actually cheats on his wife is morally superior to someone who role plays?

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    Re: Weiner seeks treatment, leave of absence from House

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    I hear ya. And I don't necessarily disagree 100%, but this is the problem, or one of them in the very least....Our politicans morals, and ethics are just about gone. No wonder corruption is rampant.

    We need to pick better caliber people.


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    I agree. And I do not want to give Vitter a pass. Or any of those who cheat. As electied officials, I expect more of them than I would the average Joe.

    But I had to ask myself. I have friends who I know have cheated, and yet I maintain friendships and trusts with them on at least some level that is normal. But if I had a friend who was sending these texts and crotch shots like Weiner, I would give them the heave-ho. I have put friends to pasture already who showed similar deviancies.

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    Re: Weiner seeks treatment, leave of absence from House

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    I agree. And I do not want to give Vitter a pass. Or any of those who cheat. As electied officials, I expect more of them than I would the average Joe.

    But I had to ask myself. I have friends who I know have cheated, and yet I maintain friendships and trusts with them on at least some level that is normal. But if I had a friend who was sending these texts and crotch shots like Weiner, I would give them the heave-ho. I have put friends to pasture already who showed similar deviancies.
    How old are you? That might explain why I cannot understand you reasoning that this type of behavior is more deviant than actually being with a hooker.

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    Re: Weiner seeks treatment, leave of absence from House

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Really? what about Vitter?

    I'm not excusing him, I'm simply saying you can't have it both ways. If you want him to resign, then you should hold everyone to the same standard. Personally, I wouldn't ask a congressman who had sex with his wife's sister. Personal life is largely personal. Now if the same person used staffers to cover it up and bribed people then I would ask for his resignation.

    Good for you. Thats what I'm talking about. Keep the same standard.

    Really!? A person who actually cheats on his wife is morally superior to someone who role plays?
    I think I addressed this in my above reply to another. To clarify, I am not approving of such as Vitter ... or JFK. And all between. I see Weiner and such as Foley, in a different realm of consideration is all. I see them as deviant. In my own personal experience, "deviant" worried me a lot more than unfaithful. Admittedly, both are wrong.
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    Re: Weiner seeks treatment, leave of absence from House

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    How old are you? That might explain why I cannot understand you reasoning that this type of behavior is more deviant than actually being with a hooker.
    Why the **** should how old I am matter ? Jeezus Christ ... ... prostitution is the oldest employ in the world !!! The first profession, is it not ? The more appropro question is "how old are you", as you seem unable to seperate sex from deviant behavior ?
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    Re: Weiner seeks treatment, leave of absence from House

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Why the **** should how old I am matter ? Jeezus Christ ... ... prostitution is the oldest employ in the world !!! The first profession, is it not ? The more appropro question is "how old are you"?
    It is not.

    Gardening is.

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    Re: Weiner seeks treatment, leave of absence from House

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    It is not.

    Gardening is.
    LOL ... gardening only happened with crop domestication. Sex was going on long before that. I suggest that a hunter-gatherer male traded a shiny seashell for a poke long before anyone tilled the soil. However, I will not debate you on this beyond who buys the first beer.

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    Re: Weiner seeks treatment, leave of absence from House

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    LOL ... gardening only happened with crop domestication. Sex was going on long before that. I suggest that a hunter-gatherer male traded a shiny seashell for a poke long before anyone tilled the soil. However, I will not debate you on this beyond who buys the first beer.
    That was a line I heard from Pat Boone years ago, on Bill Maher's show, the reference being Adam and Eve.

    A tiny sea shell? Were women ever that simple?

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    Re: Weiner seeks treatment, leave of absence from House

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    ... I cannot understand (the) reasoning that this type of behavior is more deviant than actually being with a hooker.

    For one, there is the question out there about the 17 yr old he was contacting yet, and think about it, strip away the tecnology, and what do we really have here, a guy that would be standing in front of these women with nothing but a trench coat on and flashing them. Nice.

    Oh, and Hookers should not be on the agenda of any member of Congress either.

    Then there is the question of his total comfort of lying to his constituants, the press, and anyone who asked him a question about it. I think he called a CNN producer a "Jackass"... Someone that has that level of ease in lying has damaged their ability to do their job in that position.

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    Re: Weiner seeks treatment, leave of absence from House

    Quote Originally Posted by LuckyDan View Post
    That was a line I heard from Pat Boone years ago, on Bill Maher's show, the reference being Adam and Eve.

    A tiny sea shell? Were women ever that simple?
    LOL ..... we all were ! I refered to prostitution as "the oldest profession" primarily as that has always been its label. While many other things, such as "gardening" have occured since we first learned to harvest, employment is kind of "I will pay you this for that", and so it is not a stretch. I trust that if an unwashed Neanderthal was going to give it up for your sea shell, it had to be a nice shell Especially if she was an attractive high-class Neanderthal.

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