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    Re: Kansas City girl, 5, may face murder charges in drowning

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Okay, but how do we know how long the child cried, or if the child actually cried, or if the 5 year old stiffled the cries? We have a baby sitter who didn't hear the cries and a 5 year old who killed a toddler. Kind of hard to establish a chain of events here.
    Yeah, there could be a chain of events issue. Babies cry. Sometimes they cry because you try to make them go to sleep. It is a fairly common practice when putting a baby down to sleep, and they cry: you check them once to make sure nothing is wrong, then you ignore the crying until they go to sleep. If they're crying for no reason other than attention, you can't go check on them every few minutes because that's the attention they want: You'd encourage the behavior of trying to get out of sleep-time by crying.

    Unless there are other circumstances we are not yet aware of, the babysitter didn't do anything that millions of moms don't do every day.

    The five year old though.... lord, that's a heartbreaker. I don't know how a 5yo could know what she was doing in such a case, really... but then again she had to have known it was a bad thing. I'm pretty sure she needs a shrink and not simply a jail sentence.... hell is there any Juvenile Detention center in the country set up to handle FIVE year olds???

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    Re: Kansas City girl, 5, may face murder charges in drowning

    Puts a new meaning to kindergarten cop.

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    Re: Kansas City girl, 5, may face murder charges in drowning

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I think the babysitter should hold some fault in this case for falling asleep, especially if she put the child in the tub, but the extent of the fault and how much she could share with the parents and/or the 5 year old is why more information on this case is needed.

    And the 5 year old should probably be brought in for psychological evaluation to determine if there are some anger management issues (yes, even at that age). I can't imagine a 5 year old thinking that it is okay to act so violently against another child without some sort of issues.

    I would hold off on making any firm decisions on this case though without all the information. Was the baby actually crying loudly and/or the whole time, or did it just seem like that to the other child? Who put the baby in the water? Did the parents know of any anger or jealousy problems with the 5 year old and, if so, were those told to the babysitter?
    My son is 19 months and there is NO WAY IN HELL I would leave him unattended in a bathtub. What an idiot babysitter. SHE is the one responsible for this childs death..

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    Re: Kansas City girl, 5, may face murder charges in drowning

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    My son is 19 months and there is NO WAY IN HELL I would leave him unattended in a bathtub. What an idiot babysitter. SHE is the one responsible for this childs death..

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    I wouldn't either, which is why I asked if the babysitter had left him in the bath or if it was possible that the 5 year old ran the bath water and put the 18 month old in it. I think that 5 year olds can run bath water. Or maybe the baby was supposed to be in bed and the babysitter left the 5 year old alone in the bath and fell asleep, still not good, but a bit different than leaving an 18 month old in a bath alone. I am just saying that it depends on what happened. Not many parents or babysitters, for that matter, are going to leave an 18 month old in a bathtub alone. If this one did though, then I would expect her to receive some sort of punishment, but otherwise, it isn't unreasonable to think that maybe she believed the 18 month old was safe in his bed or room and not in danger of drowning.
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    Re: Kansas City girl, 5, may face murder charges in drowning

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    They were being bathed because they were dirty I assume, but they weren't being bathed were they?

    They were bathing themselves. You have to bath a 5 year old and even more the 18 month old. They can't do it themselves.

    Why did you ask that?
    I thought maybe you found another article that had more details. I get frustrated when articles are skimpy on facts like this one.
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    Re: Kansas City girl, 5, may face murder charges in drowning

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    Would you charge the mother who put the kids to bed, fell asleep, and woke up to that scene the next morning?
    I would if she left her 18 month old toddler in the bathtub.

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    Re: Kansas City girl, 5, may face murder charges in drowning

    Im from the KC area and i heard about this on the news. This is quite a shame and very sad.


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    Re: Kansas City girl, 5, may face murder charges in drowning

    How do you even deal with a 5 year old murderer? Can someone even come back from that?
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Kansas City girl, 5, may face murder charges in drowning

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Why would she have mental problems. 5 year olds can't make the connection between their actions and consequences. If she has had no experience with death, then she would not know what it is.
    Because of the incident, not because of a prior mental illness. Because better safe than sorry. I also said "The 5 year old may have some mental problems" so next time don't knee jerk.

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    My 5 year old has had close relatives die and it was explained to him what happened. We did not tell him they went to live on a farm.

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    Re: Kansas City girl, 5, may face murder charges in drowning

    This case screams that we Americans all need to stop and look around at what as a people have become and what we reach our children and what they are exposed to.

    Violence in everything and lack of parental nurturing can be pointed to and blamed at least in part.

    It's hard to imagine that this child thought this up without outside influence.

    It is equally as hard to think the child has a clue the gravity of this. Hell video games could also have been in part for this.

    We need to rethink how we do a lot of things.

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