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    Re: Defense Secretary Warns NATO of ‘Dim’ Future

    yes, and we've learned (from the financial times of london, above) that action undertaken by the us, england and france is worrisomely similar to the us acting alone

    days not weeks, anyone?

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    Re: Defense Secretary Warns NATO of ‘Dim’ Future

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    And make nine-tenths of the decisions.
    If a country wants to be relevant, it needs to have skin in the game.

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    (E)ven according to your rhetoric, that's 5 countries (that are meeting their commitment to NATO)...
    ... while 23 nations are not meeting their commitment to NATO.

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    Disbanding NATO would free the US of what appears to be an onerous and resented obligation to act as the spearhead for operations in which it has little national interest. For the remaining allies it means that they do not have to fall-in behind US-driven operations with which they might fundamentally disagree. It's a win-win scenario, and one that clearly doesn't stop any of the members nations remaining friends and allies, and cooperating in future situations on an ad hoc basis.
    What kind of cooperation? Europe supplies the cheerleaders and referees while the U.S. supplies the muscle? Who, for example, is going to step up to the plate the next time there's a problem in the Balkans or Eastern Europe?
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    Re: Defense Secretary Warns NATO of ‘Dim’ Future

    Quote Originally Posted by Ahlevah View Post
    If a country wants to be relevant, it needs to have skin in the game.



    ... while 23 nations are not meeting their commitment to NATO.



    What kind of cooperation? Europe supplies the cheerleaders and referees while the U.S. supplies the muscle? Who, for example, is going to step up to the plate the next time there's a problem in the Balkans or Eastern Europe?
    The Europeans should be put on notice that when the next problem occurs in Europe, as it inevitably will, they will be on their own.

    Western Europeans have been complaining abut American involvement, or non-involvement, since the end of WWII and it's about time we amicably separated. We are now having more interests in South America and Asia than in Europe.

    Each year Canadians have less interest in Europe because it is no longer our immigration base and have as little interest in European history as Europeans themselves do. They have proven to be as unreliable as they are overly critical. The separation, apart from trade, should suit everyone.

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    Re: Defense Secretary Warns NATO of ‘Dim’ Future

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    NATO no longer has any raison d'etre. It should disband, saving a lot of countries a lot of money that they can spend on more socially useful things than military hardware. What does NATO do that ad hoc cooperative actions between interested states could not do? Britain and France took the initiative over Libya and would have done irrespective of NATO. With the end of the Cold War I can't think of any reason for its continued existence.
    You need to also disband the UN

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    Re: Defense Secretary Warns NATO of ‘Dim’ Future

    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You need to also disband the UN
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    Re: Defense Secretary Warns NATO of ‘Dim’ Future

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    Off topic. Ignored.
    Not off topic they are both useless organizations that are a waste of our tax dollars and should both be disbanded

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    Re: Defense Secretary Warns NATO of ‘Dim’ Future

    Here's one for ya, Blue:

    PRISTINA, Kosovo -- A senior US official says Kosovo's partition along ethnic lines would plunge the Balkan region back into violence.

    U.S. Assistant Secretary of State Philip Gordon says that redrawing borders as suggested by Serbia's senior officials would be "a recipe for disaster."

    Gordon's remarks Thursday follow a statement made recently by Serbia's Deputy Prime Minister Ivica Dacic who said that Kosovo and Serbia could overcome their differences if the country's Serb-dominated north joins Serbia. Kosovo has refused to give up any of its territory.

    Serbia rejects Kosovo's 2008 secession and backs institutions set up by the Serb minority in Kosovo that seek to undermine its statehood.

    US warns against Kosovo partition - Forbes.com
    So maybe an ad hoc cooperative venture would be for Serbia and Russia to just march into North Kosovo and assert Serbian sovereignty over it while the Weenies have a hissyfit and pee in their underwear.
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