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Alabama governor signs nations toughest immigation law

Well, since they came here to work, how about just putting them on trains and sending them to work camps.

I'm sure the Governors of Alabama and Arizona could appoint a committee to figure out exactly how many illegal workers they need, then arrange to have the surplus workers sent to special camps with showers and stuff...


They do not need illegal workers. There are legal routes for employers to obtain legal workers. They can increase the pay or use the guest worker program.

http://www.fairus.org/site/DocServer/h2a.pdf?docID=1621
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every state in this country needs to pass legislation like this.
this is "game over" for the border jumping criminals.
it is now a felony in alabama, punishable by up to 5 years in prison,
to in anyway aid an illegal alien.

we'll see what obama has to say on this one. another lawsuit?

Alabama governor signs nation's toughest immigration law | Reuters

Are we talking about collage student's funding or picking tomatoes, 'cuz the article can't make up it's mind.
 
Why don't they just have the illegals wear armbands and live in ghettos?

You honestly expect to be taken seriously by using nazi references? Are you so desperate that you have to make nazi references in an illegal immigration debate?
 
lewstherin said:
...i'm quite sure those labor jobs would be quickly filled with real Americans.
Oh? Just how sure are you?

Stanley says experienced workers can earn as much as $200 a day. He says he's tried to hire locals to do the job — working in the fields eight hours or more clipping, bending and lifting in the oppressive Georgia heat.

"They just don't want to do this hard work. And they'll tell you right quick," he says. "I have 'em to come out and work for two hours and they said, 'I'm not doing this. It's too hard.' "


Georgia Farmers Brace For New Immigration Law | 89.3 KPCC

Bo Herndon, a farmer in Toombs County, said the labor shortage has already cost him $150,000 in Vidalia onions that rotted in the field.
[...]
Jason Berry, a farmer in Baxley, has lost 10 percent of his spring yield of highbush blueberries and has begun picking more fruit by machine. That leads to more damaged fruit that is either rejected or sent to the market for pies and frozen foods rather than the more lucrative market for fresh berries.
[...]
Among his 125 acres of blackberries in Irwin County, he [J.W. Paulk] has 150 workers trying to do the work of 250.
This year he raised wages from $3 to $3.50 per box of blackberries. That will cost him about $10,000 more a week.
...he has already abandoned one field, which cost him about $40,000.

Farm owners, workers worry about immigration law's impact on crops *| ajc.com

You can yell and scream all you want about the unemployed being lazy or cut off their benefits if they don't take the jobs or whatever. The bottom line is these farmers are having a hard time getting people to work at the wages needed to make a profit without these immigrants.
 
Legal immigration into this country is a horrifically convoluted and lengthy process. For a poor, unskilled person with no family ties here it is usually impossible.

That has nothing to do with an employer being able to find legal workers.
 
Legal immigration into this country is a horrifically convoluted and lengthy process. For a poor, unskilled person with no family ties here it is usually impossible.

This is true. However this raises another question. Does every living person in the world have the right to become a US citizen? As a country should we ensure that all applicants get accepted as citizens as quickly as possible and with less financial sacrifice on the part of the applicant?
 
That has nothing to do with an employer being able to find legal workers.

For low-wage, unskilled jobs, yes, it does have a lot to do with it. Americans have proven unwilling to pick fruit in horrible conditions for little to no money and have also proven unwilling to pay higher prices for fruit that we'd see if wages were increased. It's the Wal-Mart paradox, except instead of Chinese workers in China it's Mexican workers in the southern US.

This is true. However this raises another question. Does every living person in the world have the right to become a US citizen? As a country should we ensure that all applicants get accepted as citizens as quickly as possible and with less financial sacrifice on the part of the applicant?

I think the system could use a lot of streamlining and also be made a lot more fair. Unlimited? No.
 
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Uh-oh they screwed up. Now they'll have "wildfires."
 
For low-wage, unskilled jobs, yes, it does have a lot to do with it. Americans have proven unwilling to pick fruit in horrible conditions for little to no money and have also proven unwilling to pay higher prices for fruit that we'd see if wages were increased. It's the Wal-Mart paradox, except instead of Chinese workers in China it's Mexican workers in the southern US.

This still does not change or have anything to do with the fact that employers have legal routes to obtain legal workers. Because they can raise the wages high enough to entice Americans to work for them or they can petition for migrant workers.

Besides that the cost of labor has little impact on prices. So this Tomatoes will cost 5 dollars a pound if they have to hire legal workers is nothing more than fear mongering by pro-illegal scum.


Local News | Low-paid illegal work force has little impact on prices | Seattle Times Newspaper
More than 7 million illegal immigrants work in the United States. They build houses, pick crops, slaughter cattle, stitch clothes, mow lawns, clean hotel rooms, cook restaurant meals and wash the dishes that come back.

You might assume that the plentiful supply of low-wage illegal workers would translate into significantly lower prices for the goods and services they produce. In fact, their impact on consumer prices — call it the "illegal-worker discount" — is surprisingly small.

The bag of Washington state apples you bought last weekend? Probably a few cents cheaper than it otherwise would have been, economists estimate. That steak dinner at a downtown restaurant? Maybe a buck off. Your new house in Subdivision Estates? Hard to say, but perhaps a few thousand dollars less expensive.

The underlying reason, economists say, is that for most goods the labor — whether legal or illegal, native- or foreign-born — represents only a sliver of the retail price.

Consider those apples — Washington's signature contribution to the American food basket.

At a local QFC, Red Delicious apples go for about 99 cents a pound. Of that, only about 7 cents represents the cost of labor, said Tom Schotzko, a recently retired extension economist at Washington State University. The rest represents the grower's other expenses, warehousing and shipping fees, and the retailer's markup.
 
Uh-oh they screwed up. Now they'll have "wildfires."

Are you trying to imply that illegals have been starting wildfires or that illegals make up most of the firefighters in Alabama?
 
For low-wage, unskilled jobs, yes, it does have a lot to do with it. Americans have proven unwilling to pick fruit in horrible conditions for little to no money and have also proven unwilling to pay higher prices for fruit that we'd see if wages were increased. It's the Wal-Mart paradox, except instead of Chinese workers in China it's Mexican workers in the southern US.


I've picked fruit. It's not hard. I'd do it again if there was any in the area that I live.
 
Will treating a sick illegal also be a crime?
 
Will treating a sick illegal also be a crime?

No, but seeing how hospitals have to report gun shot wounds perhaps hospitals can be required to report illegals.
 
That has nothing to do with an employer being able to find legal workers.

What if we just made the illegals work for low wages w/o insurance or safety? Wouldn't that help the economy?

Even better, they could work for free until the drop dead. How would that be?
 
What if we just made the illegals work for low wages w/o insurance or safety? Wouldn't that help the economy?

Even better, they could work for free until the drop dead. How would that be?

Or better yet they could stay in thier home countries and work there or come to the US legally.
 
Or better yet they could stay in thier home countries and work there or come to the US legally.

This repudiates itself, they come here because there is no work there and it's too difficult to get to the US legally.
 
Oh? Just how sure are you?





You can yell and scream all you want about the unemployed being lazy or cut off their benefits if they don't take the jobs or whatever. The bottom line is these farmers are having a hard time getting people to work at the wages needed to make a profit without these immigrants.

Very few people are against legal immigration. It is the illegal crossing by "immigrants" that is an issue. It has been pointed out in many post that there are legal ways to enter the US to work agri/farm jobs. What many ask is the people do so.
 
Will treating a sick illegal also be a crime?

No.
Please send donations to Arizona, Texas and Alabama to help offset the medical costs we taxpayers in those States contribute to the medical treatment of those who entered the US illegally, since you are so supportive of the number of illegal people in this country.
 
Why don't they just have the illegals wear armbands and live in ghettos?
Fine. As long as they return to their countries of origin to do so.

Today, we had the first report of a landlord who had his illegal alien tenants pack up and head for Tennessee. I am glad to see them leave.
 
No.
Please send donations to Arizona, Texas and Alabama to help offset the medical costs we taxpayers in those States contribute to the medical treatment of those who entered the US illegally, since you are so supportive of the number of illegal people in this country.

I think it's offset by the macroeconomic shift in productivity garnered by their cheap labor, but then again thats pretty hush hush, you know, admitting we get something out of their work.
 
I'm sure the Governors of Alabama and Arizona could appoint a committee to figure out exactly how many illegal workers they need, then arrange to have the surplus workers sent to special camps with showers and stuff...
The good news is that they are leaving my state. I hope they are heading for yours. Good luck with that.
 
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