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    Re: Alabama governor signs nations toughest immigation law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Legal immigration into this country is a horrifically convoluted and lengthy process. For a poor, unskilled person with no family ties here it is usually impossible.
    That has nothing to do with an employer being able to find legal workers.
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    Re: Alabama governor signs nations toughest immigation law

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    Legal immigration into this country is a horrifically convoluted and lengthy process. For a poor, unskilled person with no family ties here it is usually impossible.
    This is true. However this raises another question. Does every living person in the world have the right to become a US citizen? As a country should we ensure that all applicants get accepted as citizens as quickly as possible and with less financial sacrifice on the part of the applicant?
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    Re: Alabama governor signs nations toughest immigation law

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That has nothing to do with an employer being able to find legal workers.
    For low-wage, unskilled jobs, yes, it does have a lot to do with it. Americans have proven unwilling to pick fruit in horrible conditions for little to no money and have also proven unwilling to pay higher prices for fruit that we'd see if wages were increased. It's the Wal-Mart paradox, except instead of Chinese workers in China it's Mexican workers in the southern US.

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    This is true. However this raises another question. Does every living person in the world have the right to become a US citizen? As a country should we ensure that all applicants get accepted as citizens as quickly as possible and with less financial sacrifice on the part of the applicant?
    I think the system could use a lot of streamlining and also be made a lot more fair. Unlimited? No.
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    Re: Alabama governor signs nations toughest immigation law

    Uh-oh they screwed up. Now they'll have "wildfires."

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    Re: Alabama governor signs nations toughest immigation law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    For low-wage, unskilled jobs, yes, it does have a lot to do with it. Americans have proven unwilling to pick fruit in horrible conditions for little to no money and have also proven unwilling to pay higher prices for fruit that we'd see if wages were increased. It's the Wal-Mart paradox, except instead of Chinese workers in China it's Mexican workers in the southern US.
    This still does not change or have anything to do with the fact that employers have legal routes to obtain legal workers. Because they can raise the wages high enough to entice Americans to work for them or they can petition for migrant workers.

    Besides that the cost of labor has little impact on prices. So this Tomatoes will cost 5 dollars a pound if they have to hire legal workers is nothing more than fear mongering by pro-illegal scum.


    Local News | Low-paid illegal work force has little impact on prices | Seattle Times Newspaper
    More than 7 million illegal immigrants work in the United States. They build houses, pick crops, slaughter cattle, stitch clothes, mow lawns, clean hotel rooms, cook restaurant meals and wash the dishes that come back.

    You might assume that the plentiful supply of low-wage illegal workers would translate into significantly lower prices for the goods and services they produce. In fact, their impact on consumer prices — call it the "illegal-worker discount" — is surprisingly small.

    The bag of Washington state apples you bought last weekend? Probably a few cents cheaper than it otherwise would have been, economists estimate. That steak dinner at a downtown restaurant? Maybe a buck off. Your new house in Subdivision Estates? Hard to say, but perhaps a few thousand dollars less expensive.

    The underlying reason, economists say, is that for most goods the labor — whether legal or illegal, native- or foreign-born — represents only a sliver of the retail price.

    Consider those apples — Washington's signature contribution to the American food basket.

    At a local QFC, Red Delicious apples go for about 99 cents a pound. Of that, only about 7 cents represents the cost of labor, said Tom Schotzko, a recently retired extension economist at Washington State University. The rest represents the grower's other expenses, warehousing and shipping fees, and the retailer's markup.
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    Re: Alabama governor signs nations toughest immigation law

    Quote Originally Posted by Loose Feather View Post
    Uh-oh they screwed up. Now they'll have "wildfires."
    Are you trying to imply that illegals have been starting wildfires or that illegals make up most of the firefighters in Alabama?
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Alabama governor signs nations toughest immigation law

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    For low-wage, unskilled jobs, yes, it does have a lot to do with it. Americans have proven unwilling to pick fruit in horrible conditions for little to no money and have also proven unwilling to pay higher prices for fruit that we'd see if wages were increased. It's the Wal-Mart paradox, except instead of Chinese workers in China it's Mexican workers in the southern US.

    I've picked fruit. It's not hard. I'd do it again if there was any in the area that I live.
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    Re: Alabama governor signs nations toughest immigation law

    Will treating a sick illegal also be a crime?

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    Re: Alabama governor signs nations toughest immigation law

    Quote Originally Posted by hazlnut View Post
    Will treating a sick illegal also be a crime?
    No, but seeing how hospitals have to report gun shot wounds perhaps hospitals can be required to report illegals.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Alabama governor signs nations toughest immigation law

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    That has nothing to do with an employer being able to find legal workers.
    What if we just made the illegals work for low wages w/o insurance or safety? Wouldn't that help the economy?

    Even better, they could work for free until the drop dead. How would that be?

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