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Christian college bars the national anthem at sporting events 'as it promotes war'

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Of particular concern were lyrics like: 'And the rocket's red glare, the bombs bursting in air'
A Christian college has barred the national anthem from sporting events because the song's images of war undermine its pacifist traditions.
Goshen College in Indiana will no longer play 'The Star Spangled Banner.'
And the school's board of directors have instructed its president, Jim Brenneman, to find an alternative song 'that fits with sports tradition, that honors country, that resonates with our core values and that respects the views of diverse constituencies.'


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Christian college bars the national anthem at sporting events 'as it promotes war' | Mail Online


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Goshen College scraps national anthem at sporting events -



They have every right to do this because of all those Americans in the anthem and afterwards who faught and died to protect that right. While they have that right it does not mean those of us who it disgusts have to hold back our view.


I like what one comment said

"Dear Mr. College President: There are only two people who have ever offered to die for you: Jesus Christ and the US soldier. A little respect is in order."
 
Re: Christian college bars the national anthem at sporting events 'as it promotes war

Welcome to the wonderful world of Liberlism.

I heard an interview yesterday on this subject and it seems the School allowed the Peruvian National Anthem but not ours. Take a look at this one below, and figure out why they allow this one.


I'm getting tired of Liberals and their BS.

Glory erected in millenia of history
molded the national feeling
and was the yell of Túpac Amaru
which alerts, which demands
and which impels, towards liberty.
And the creole and the Indian embrace
yearning for a single ideal
and the sacrifice of their soul and blood
gave the white and reds
of the emblem that announced to the world
that Peru rises sovereign.
For glory of God.
 
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I saw nothing in either article that the decision was based off of liberal ideas. Just sayin'.
 
Re: Christian college bars the national anthem at sporting events 'as it promotes war

I saw nothing in either article that the decision was based off of liberal ideas. Just sayin'.

Please note I said I heard and interview with a young who was a Conservative who is fighting this action.

Just reading the article says this a about being Politically Correct and that screams LIberal.
 
Re: Christian college bars the national anthem at sporting events 'as it promotes war

I saw nothing in either article that the decision was based off of liberal ideas. Just sayin'.

Yeah but clearly... a christian college, with traditions of pacifism, barring the national anthem is rather silly...

BUT ITS THE LIBERALS DOING IT!

I bet the order came from Obamas Desk. Pelosi had an orgasm over it.
 
Re: Christian college bars the national anthem at sporting events 'as it promotes war

Please note I said I heard and interview with a young who was a Conservative who is fighting this action.

Just reading the article says this a about being Politically Correct and that screams LIberal.

It being a Christian college screams Conservative. And simply because a conservative is fighting it does not make it liberal. People of the same ideology can disagree.
 
Re: Christian college bars the national anthem at sporting events 'as it promotes war

People forget that Christians have preached pacifism and socialism just as much as more conservative ideologies. The pledge of allegiance for example, was created by a Christian socialist. Religion is not monolithic in its political spectrum.
 
Re: Christian college bars the national anthem at sporting events 'as it promotes war

Welcome to the wonderful world of Liberlism.

I heard an interview yesterday on this subject and it seems the School allowed the Peruvian National Anthem but not ours. Take a look at this one below, and figure out why they allow this one.


I'm getting tired of Liberals and their BS.

Glory erected in millenia of history
molded the national feeling
and was the yell of Túpac Amaru
which alerts, which demands
and which impels, towards liberty.
And the creole and the Indian embrace
yearning for a single ideal
and the sacrifice of their soul and blood
gave the white and reds
of the emblem that announced to the world
that Peru rises sovereign.
For glory of God.

I'm curious... do you EVER say anything that isn't an absurd partisan hack statement? There was absolutely NO mention of partisanship in the story, but you, erroneously, needed to bring it in. Pacifists come in all shapes and political sizes. Not just liberal. I know it might be hard for you to see these facts, but facts they are.
 
Re: Christian college bars the national anthem at sporting events 'as it promotes war

Goshen College is a Mennonite school that is quite conservative and religious. I've been there once; they seemed like nice people but it's hardly an atmosphere that would appeal to most liberal college students. I don't know where in the world anyone would get the impression that this was because of "the wonderful world of liberalism." It's because of their long-standing commitment to pacifism.

And for the record, they're right. Our national anthem is one of the worst national anthems I've ever heard, and the lyrics send all the wrong messages about our nation's values. I wish our government would replace it with something else. I've always liked "America The Beautiful." I don't see anything at all disrespectful about Goshen's decision. Since when did it become taboo to criticize the national anthem? Is it sacred now?
 
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LOL funny when Conservatives turn on their own... slamming the "liberal" tag on anyone and everything they do not agree with...
 
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Christian peace churches

Peace churches are Christian denominations explicitly advocating pacifism. The term historic peace churches refers specifically to three church traditions: the Church of the Brethren, the Mennonites (and some other Anabaptists, such as Amish and Hutterites), and the Quakers (Religious Society of Friends). The historic peace churches have, from their origins as far back as the 16th century, always taken the position that Jesus was himself a pacifist who explicitly taught and practiced pacifism, and that his followers must do likewise. Pacifist churches vary on whether physical force can ever be justified in self-defense or protecting others, as many adhere strictly to nonresistance when confronted by violence. But all agree that violence on behalf of a country or a government is prohibited for Christians.
Pacifism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I believe that at least in Canada, Mennonites have received exemptions from being drafted
 
Re: Christian college bars the national anthem at sporting events 'as it promotes war

If ti s private college, they can pretty much do whatever they want in this regard. It's one of the nice things about actually being in this country. Freedom of choice. While I disagree with their choice, I support their right to make it.
 
Re: Christian college bars the national anthem at sporting events 'as it promotes war

If ti s private college, they can pretty much do whatever they want in this regard. It's one of the nice things about actually being in this country. Freedom of choice. While I disagree with their choice, I support their right to make it.

And that's all that needs to be said mate.

Well said.
 
Re: Christian college bars the national anthem at sporting events 'as it promotes war

In my school we have some very strong pacifists who support this. It's the schools choice. I may not agree with it (or their theology) but in a free country we don't have the right to delegate what they can and can't do in regards to their statement of faith and how the school decides to carry that out.
 
Re: Christian college bars the national anthem at sporting events 'as it promotes war

It seems that the Mennonites believe that "Thou shalt not kill" means "Thou shalt not kill".

Good for them.
 
Re: Christian college bars the national anthem at sporting events 'as it promotes war

my guess is that they'll replace the National Anthem with this:

 
Re: Christian college bars the national anthem at sporting events 'as it promotes war

I'm curious... do you EVER say anything that isn't an absurd partisan hack statement? There was absolutely NO mention of partisanship in the story, but you, erroneously, needed to bring it in. Pacifists come in all shapes and political sizes. Not just liberal. I know it might be hard for you to see these facts, but facts they are.

well lets put it another way for you.
if this story doesnt reek liberlism to you then you live in denial. hows that?

on topic, the absurdity of the free having to fight wars to preserve freedom doesnt change the fact that it is unfortunately necessary.

however...
though it makes them look unamerican, recognizing the tradition of the anthem before sporting events, it is certainly their right to not play it. I think
 
Re: Christian college bars the national anthem at sporting events 'as it promotes war

well lets put it another way for you.
if this story doesnt reek liberlism to you then you live in denial. hows that?

on topic, the absurdity of the free having to fight wars to preserve freedom doesnt change the fact that it is unfortunately necessary.

however...
though it makes them look unamerican, recognizing the tradition of the anthem before sporting events, it is certainly their right to not play it. I think


If you dont know who and how the Mennonites live then you are living by a river in Egypt

Mennonites and other associated groups are not "liberal" in todays use of the term by any means. Socially conservative, deeply religous, and generally strong followers of the tenants of their faith ( which has been pacifistic for a few hundred years)

Certainly not "progressively Liberal"
 
Re: Christian college bars the national anthem at sporting events 'as it promotes war

So the basic gist of this is, "While there is no mention of liberal/conservative partisan speech in the OP, I think the people in it have liberal cooties so I'm going to blame the liberals"

It's hillarious really.
 
Re: Christian college bars the national anthem at sporting events 'as it promotes war

LOL funny when Conservatives turn on their own... slamming the "liberal" tag on anyone and everything they do not agree with...

A liberal to a conservative is anyone that does not agree with them personally.
 
Re: Christian college bars the national anthem at sporting events 'as it promotes war

well lets put it another way for you.
if this story doesnt reek liberlism to you then you live in denial. hows that?

Let's put it like this for YOU. Your comment demonstrates that you don't know what you are talking about. Educate yourself on Mennonites and pacifism and perhaps you will understand that this is not a left-right issue. Unless, of course, you are a hack and NEED it to be a left-right issue.
 
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I personally disagree with their stance and decision, but after reading about it, I understand why they did it. I don't see this as disrespecting the soldiers who have given them the freedom to do this. It is a private school so as long as it is on their property, they are free to do as they wish.

Not all universities, even public ones, play the national anthem before all sporting events. Why should this be a big deal that football games (if they even have them) at Goshen won't be preceded by the national anthem?
 
Re: Christian college bars the national anthem at sporting events 'as it promotes war

I think there reasoning is pretty foolish. The Anthem doesnt promote war-it describes the efforts and actions required of patriots to preserve freedoms that they now enjoy to be able to make this declaration. That being said...that people are foolish in their interpretations doesnt invalidate the actions of those that fight to preserve liberty. So...good on them and hopefully those pacifists will never ever be confronted with an individual bent on causing them or their loved ones physical harm. Im certain if that occurs they will lay down and take it like...well...like good little pacifists.
 
Re: Christian college bars the national anthem at sporting events 'as it promotes war

I think there reasoning is pretty foolish. The Anthem doesnt promote war-it describes the efforts and actions required of patriots to preserve freedoms that they now enjoy to be able to make this declaration. That being said...that people are foolish in their interpretations doesnt invalidate the actions of those that fight to preserve liberty. So...good on them and hopefully those pacifists will never ever be confronted with an individual bent on causing them or their loved ones physical harm. Im certain if that occurs they will lay down and take it like...well...like good little pacifists.

It actually doesn't even go that far (actions required today). It tells of a past war that was real. One that established our Independence. Yet, Mennonites are free to do as they choose. Maybe they would be willing to use "America the Beautiful" instead.
 
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