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    Re: Only 24% Say They Share Obama's Political Views

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    Alex, I will take Dishonest Spin And Irony for 600.
    I almost choked on my breakfast cereal reading that.


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    Re: Only 24% Say They Share Obama's Political Views

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh, wait a minute here. I think you are setting up a situation where only Obama can use attacks to campaign on.
    You are massively misrepresenting my post.

    In NO way did I ever say that it was okay for Obama to attack GOPers but it wasn't okay for GOPers to attack back. In fact, nowhere in my post did I say that it was okay for Obama to make unfounded attacks to anybody at all, or that it was okay for Obama to attack anybody at all. My post didn't address what Obama should do at all. Your reading of my post to interpret it in that way only shows your own incredibly partisan bias in all of this.

    Rather, that particular post detailed what GOP voters should be wary of in their candidates. That particular post pointed out "rock-star candidates." I pointed out that those are not who they should be wary of, since the GOP usually doesn't pick rock-star candidates anyway. Rather, they should be wary of candidates who make unfounded hyperbolic attacks on the incumbent without providing realistic viable solutions of their own.

    In no way did I ever state that a GOP candidate cannot make an attack against Obama that's actually rooted in reality and rationality. So I would appreciate it if you'd stop claiming I said things that I didn't actually say.

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Listen, most people don't have the first clue concerning the complexity of issues that are boiled down to sound bytes on a regular basis. So it is just a little more than unfair to expect them to formulate an opinion that someone like us in forums like this who live, breath, and discuss politics daily.

    This is why the media is such a strong tool, and when that has openly gone as biased as it has, then it is really screwed up.
    There is some truth to that. However, I don't see what particular bearing this has on this particular issue. Please go more into depth on that.
    Also, we need to legalize recreational drugs and prostitution.

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    Re: Only 24% Say They Share Obama's Political Views

    When the GOP nomination is complete, Obama's numbers are going to skyrocket. Right now it's just the normal 'diss the prez' time, without any lesser of the two evils factored in.
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    Re: Only 24% Say They Share Obama's Political Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Not acting on your views is not the same thing as being a liar. There can be several reasons to not act on your views. Those views may not be a good thing to implement all at once, those views may not be what you ran on, those views may be something that would never pass congress, and so on.

    Oh I see, it wasn't what I said to you in response to your post, noooooooo, let's throw in a vague reference that makes it look like I misrepresented you, when all along you were talking, or presumptively speaking for someone else. How very genuine of you to debate that way.

    But Let's now take a look at your own response to me right here and now shall we?

    You just said that Obama is not a liar, but then admit these things about him

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    ...Those views may not be a good thing to implement all at once
    Or ever. But those are the things he ran on to get elected. Didn't you liberals continually bash Bush I for the "read my lips" statement, then when demo's turned around and made a deal with him, never meaning to live up to what they promised in that deal hung him out to dry....Now shoe on the other foot, you can't take it. Interesting.

    those views may be something that would never pass congress
    Then why say that you "WILL" get them done. Pandering? I thought Liberals were above that sort of thing? Well, sans welfare recipients, or Unions, or any given minority that they happen to be speaking to while changing their delivery to reflect disingenuously the dialect of that particular group at the time....Uh, how rude.

    and so on.
    And so on, and so on, and on, and on.... So the excuse train never stops. Got it.


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    Re: Only 24% Say They Share Obama's Political Views

    Quote Originally Posted by samsmart View Post
    You are massively misrepresenting my post.
    I am not trying to misrepresent anyone here, I thought we were having a discussion. Now there are at least two ways a discussion can go,

    1. both sides discuss back and forth using what is written, and having interpretations of what is said hashed out

    2. one side offering their opinion and expecting not to be challenged, and refusing to be reasonable in assumption of the other....

    The second I would say is very dishonest, so which one are we having?

    In NO way did I ever say that it was okay for Obama to attack GOPers but it wasn't okay for GOPers to attack back. In fact, nowhere in my post did I say that it was okay for Obama to make unfounded attacks to anybody at all, or that it was okay for Obama to attack anybody at all.
    If I implied that I apologize. I meant to offer that the Obama machine is now gathering what is estimated to be more than $1 BILLION dollars to campaign with. As an incumbent that is unheard of, not to mention that the speculation right now seems to be that the money will be spent not in promoting what a success this man has been, but rather to dig, and smear his opponent whom ever that may be.

    Do you think that an honest way to run a campaign.? Or acceptable?

    My post didn't address what Obama should do at all. Your reading of my post to interpret it in that way only shows your own incredibly partisan bias in all of this.
    Come on, let's have a conversation and knock that victimhood crap off Sam.

    In no way did I ever state that a GOP candidate cannot make an attack against Obama that's actually rooted in reality and rationality.
    And whom decides the "reality" or "rationality" of the attack? The one being attacked?

    So I would appreciate it if you'd stop claiming I said things that I didn't actually say.
    As I said earlier, stop the whining and debate.

    There is some truth to that. However, I don't see what particular bearing this has on this particular issue. Please go more into depth on that.
    You don't see how media bias can drive the polling? Really?


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    Re: Only 24% Say They Share Obama's Political Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    When the GOP nomination is complete, Obama's numbers are going to skyrocket.
    And you base that on what? Your crystal ball?

    Right now it's just the normal 'diss the prez' time, without any lesser of the two evils factored in.
    So you're saying that Obama is one of the "evils"???? Why?

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    Re: Only 24% Say They Share Obama's Political Views

    This is good new for our Nation and our children.

    It means that even with most media ignoring Obama's incompetence, and lack of mental capacity the word is getting out.

    We just saw another economist has jump ship and in the stories his credentials were pointed out and begs the question, if this guy was so good at the job and the last few were great at the job, why the hell did they all fail and were unable to teach Obama not one damn thing?

    Obama lacks the ability learn from his mistakes.

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    Re: Only 24% Say They Share Obama's Political Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    This is good new for our Nation and our children.

    It means that even with most media ignoring Obama's incompetence, and lack of mental capacity the word is getting out.

    We just saw another economist has jump ship and in the stories his credentials were pointed out and begs the question, if this guy was so good at the job and the last few were great at the job, why the hell did they all fail and were unable to teach Obama not one damn thing?

    Obama lacks the ability learn from his mistakes.

    Or owns the hubris, and extreme arrogance to think he hasn't made any.


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    Re: Only 24% Say They Share Obama's Political Views

    J-mac: A fairly large portion of what he said he would do, he has done. Some things he has tried to do, but not been able to get congress to agree on. This is fairly normal of any president.
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    Re: Only 24% Say They Share Obama's Political Views

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    J-mac: A fairly large portion of what he said he would do, he has done. Some things he has tried to do, but not been able to get congress to agree on. This is fairly normal of any president.

    maybe you could be more specific and we could have a real conversation on it.....Instead of generalizations.


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