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    Re: Republican mainstream flirts with brief default

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    Well let's start with this; the assertions of the single payer camp are matters of great dispute. I would much rather balance the budget with measures I know will work, rather than experiment with single payer healthcare using data which in no way accounts for a world where the US ceases to intellectually subsidize the other global exemplars of socialized medicine.
    Single payers pay less. That is a fact. We pay more than nearly any other country.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Republican mainstream flirts with brief default

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    Single payers pay less. That is a fact. We pay more than nearly any other country.
    No, no, sweetums. We're replying to MY arguments, not spouting general talking points that we use on other members of this forum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy
    I would much rather balance the budget with measures I know will work, rather than experiment with single payer healthcare using data which in no way accounts for a world where the US ceases to intellectually subsidize the other global exemplars of socialized medicine.
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    Re: Republican mainstream flirts with brief default

    The bill would continue the authority of the United States Government to borrow funds which we must do to avoid the default on our obligations...I would have no problem with signing an extension of the debt limit. But the choice is for the United States to default on its debts for the first time in our 200-year history, or to accept a bill that has been cluttered up. This is yet another example of Congress trying to force my hand, and it's one more reason why the President needs the line item veto to separate the good from the bad.

    Unfortunately, Congress consistently brings the Government to the edge of default before facing its responsibility. This brinkmanship threatens the holders of government bonds and those who rely on Social Security and veterans benefits. Interest rates would skyrocket, instability would occur in financial markets, and the Federal deficit would soar. The United States has a special responsibility to itself and the world to meet its obligations. It means we have a well-earned reputation for reliability and credibility—two things that set us apart from much of the world.
    Does anyone want to take a guess what liberal made that statement?

    Markets are getting nervous about the delaying of the extension of the debt ceiling. I can't imagine that it will be much better, both short term and long term, the longer Congress waits. But I guess that's the gamble that conservatives are willing to take.

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    Re: Republican mainstream flirts with brief default

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It is so stupid that people try to force feed that word. Does your insurance company ration? Does your wallet ration? Setting forth policy, like elective procedures won't be covered, or that ineffective and untested procedures won't be covered is not rationing. It is a lie to call it such.

    Oh, so they are all breast implants, and face lifts that are what you are talking about? Robert Reich says differently



    None of them are. The problems with financing are not the product of the health care system. other problems, like here, effect how much the government can pay. But as those systems pay less than we do, they are not the larger problems.
    What are the financing problems then? Too low taxes? Systemic problems can be addressed without trashing the entire current system. The other HC systems that pay less than us also cover far less population than we have, and restrict services until a board of government hacks approve of them....

    I don't think so. And the anger is largely incoherent.
    That's your opinion....I say watch.

    I don't think so. And the anger is largely incoherent.
    BS, tell me how math changes if the decimal placement changes? I can't wait.

    I'm all for substance.
    If you say so.


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    Re: Republican mainstream flirts with brief default

    Quote Originally Posted by toddwv View Post
    Right. It was "the libs", Obama and the Democrats.
    We'll just ignore the 6 years that the Republicans had control of Congress AND the White House.
    We'll completely ignore the spending mandated by TWO FULL INVASIONS.
    We'll ignore that the Republicans' response to the increased funds that they decided to send off to be buried in a desert was to cut taxes, primarily for the rich.
    We'll ignore the surplus that the Republicans squandered.
    We'll ignore the Medicare additions that the Republicans signed into law.
    We'll ignore the bubble economy that they sat around and watched.
    We'll just ignore the $450,000,000,000 per year interest payments on the debt that the Republicans handed over.
    We'll ignore that the TARP was actually signed by a Republican President.

    And we'll especially ignore the fact that the Republican plan to "starve the beast" ie shrink the federal government to the size where it can be "drowned in a bathtub" has been motivating the right-wing's attack on America for the past 3 decades.

    And now we're supposed to trust the Republicans when it comes to economic matters? After they sat back and watched the subprime market go into critical meltdown taking an economy that was weakened by Republican policies to the point of collapse?

    We're supposed to believe that everything will be alright if we listen to the Republicans who want to take us back over the edge of economic destruction.

    No thanks.
    Toddy, whatever our rate of over-spending, Obama and the Democrats accelerated it, to that point that the crisis is now upon us. By that I mean that the cost of each passing day of doing nothing is not only at a higher rate than at any time prior, but to where to kick the can down the road would be to see it go off the cliff. Meanwhile, you do the typical liberal crap of throwing out all your red herrings, like mud, in the hope that something will stick.

    Bottom line, and its so simple even a liberal should be able to understand it, is that we must address it now. We must restore sanity, via tangible austerity measures, NOW.

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    Re: Republican mainstream flirts with brief default

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh, so they are all breast implants, and face lifts that are what you are talking about? Robert Reich says differently
    I can't believe you went with Hannity. Seriously. First, Reich isn't a policy. he's a person with an opinon. Second, we ahve no one suggesting anyone doesn't get needed care. So yes, my comment stands.

    What are the financing problems then? Too low taxes? Systemic problems can be addressed without trashing the entire current system. The other HC systems that pay less than us also cover far less population than we have, and restrict services until a board of government hacks approve of them....
    They world felt the economic effects of the last few years. It wasn't limited to just the US. from the stock market to wars to other problems, countries saw they're economy take a hit. It was not a case of health care taking them down.

    And no, they don't cover less than we do. Sorry, we rank low by WHO because we have poorer access. And, depending on which system you're talking about, as they is more than one way to do a Universalpayer system, they don't wait all that much more than we do, and turn down no more than our insurance companies turn down. Not really a huge difference there.


    That's your opinion....I say watch.
    And such as been said before. I remain unconvnced.

    BS, tell me how math changes if the decimal placement changes? I can't wait.
    Yiou might want to re-read as this makes no sense.


    If you say so.


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    I do.

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    Re: Republican mainstream flirts with brief default

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    No, no, sweetums. We're replying to MY arguments, not spouting general talking points that we use on other members of this forum.
    Well sweet pea, I did reply to you. And no, we don't intellectually subsidize the other global exemplars of socialized medicine. I think you over credit the US here.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Republican mainstream flirts with brief default

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I can't believe you went with Hannity. Seriously. First, Reich isn't a policy. he's a person with an opinon. Second, we ahve no one suggesting anyone doesn't get needed care. So yes, my comment stands.
    Oh, since Hannity was reporting on it, it doesn't count? Don't make me laugh. And correct me if I am wrong but Robert Reich was a Clinton administration official as well as an Obama advisor was he not? Reich admitted in that clip that he would tell granny sorry, we can't give you the expensive treatments. Didn't you listen? And as far as your point, it just got nuked.

    They world felt the economic effects of the last few years. It wasn't limited to just the US. from the stock market to wars to other problems, countries saw they're economy take a hit. It was not a case of health care taking them down.
    How much of our money went to those countries under Obama? Do you even know?

    And no, they don't cover less than we do. Sorry, we rank low by WHO because we have poorer access. And, depending on which system you're talking about, as they is more than one way to do a Universalpayer system, they don't wait all that much more than we do, and turn down no more than our insurance companies turn down. Not really a huge difference there.

    The WHO study is flawed.

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    Re: Republican mainstream flirts with brief default

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Oh, since Hannity was reporting on it, it doesn't count? Don't make me laugh. And correct me if I am wrong but Robert Reich was a Clinton administration official as well as an Obama advisor was he not? Reich admitted in that clip that he would tell granny sorry, we can't give you the expensive treatments. Didn't you listen? And as far as your point, it just got nuked.
    As he can't be trusted to reported it exactly in the context it was in, yes, he is disqualifed. And all Reich did was state his opinon. This is not equal to anyone elses opinion. He doesn't speak for anyone else. Nor does it speak to any policy in place. So, it is meaningless.


    How much of our money went to those countries under Obama? Do you even know?
    Does it matter? How much went under bush? Clinton? Bush I? Reagan? Carter? it has nothing to do with what I'm saying.


    The WHO study is flawed.

    j-mac
    While I think what it says is limited, and has to be read in terms of what they see as important, no it's not all that flawed. It is accurate in what we're talking about.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Republican mainstream flirts with brief default

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Toddy, whatever our rate of over-spending, Obama and the Democrats accelerated it, to that point that the crisis is now upon us. By that I mean that the cost of each passing day of doing nothing is not only at a higher rate than at any time prior, but to where to kick the can down the road would be to see it go off the cliff. Meanwhile, you do the typical liberal crap of throwing out all your red herrings, like mud, in the hope that something will stick.

    Bottom line, and its so simple even a liberal should be able to understand it, is that we must address it now. We must restore sanity, via tangible austerity measures, NOW.
    As I said.

    Any attempts to cut spending without drastic cuts to defense spending is simply not being serious and is nothing more than an attempt at a partisan hack job.
    Any attempts to eliminate the deficit without returning the tax rates to prior sustainable levels is simply not being serious.

    I'll add that implementing "austerity" measures would just be REALLY stupid right now.

    Oh by the way, apparently the Republicans are trying to repeal the Medicare reform measures that attack waste, fraud and abuse without changing benefits. Now why would the Republicans wan't to block nearly $500,000,000,000 in savings for ANY reason?

    Could it be that they are simply not serious about actually cutting the budget and just want to go after wildly popular and hugely successful social programs? Hmmm?

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