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    Re: Republican mainstream flirts with brief default

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    No, it is a sum total of all the families. So the analogy stands.
    No, I really don't think it does.

    Or you could cut your spending, and get back to basics until you get yourself under control and you wouldn't have to get a second job/raise taxes.
    In a large situation I would likely have to do both. Been there and did that.


    What spending are you willing to cut? And what if that family member is one who is able, but finds it easier to sponge off you?
    Who decides able? I know my family members quite well. I have a brother who sponges. I have a grandmother who needs care. Both are a problem, but I would still choose helping both over invading my neighbor, no matter how much he was a problem in his own home.



    Oh, so you would plunder your neighbor when you are stabilized eh? I guess that puts to rest all of your prior talk about what business we have in other countries....

    Ok, let the shifting begin where you tell me that isn't what you said...

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    Well, it isn't what I said, but I sure as hell when do it when I couldn't afford it. Seems to me you're trying to skip the point.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Republican mainstream flirts with brief default

    the initial wreck less move is not getting a handle on spending.

    each and every politicians knows that the debt ceiling was going to be reached. They did nothing to prevent it. That was wreckless.

    We can't continue pushing the debt burden on the future. We can't spend the money, then say sorry about that, please cover the check, and then blame the people that eventually tire of picking up the check.

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    Re: Republican mainstream flirts with brief default

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm not opposed to some management of the debt.
    Be specific.

    Wish republicans really believed it when they were in charge and not just when democrats were.
    Ah, so it is ok as long as one can point to the opposition doing it too....I see....What's this? How to run a country from the 4th grade playground?

    That said, no, it's not a very equivilent comparison.
    It is valid, and equivalent. You just refuse to accept that your guy makes Bush look like a tight wad.

    But just like when we default on our debt, and there are consequences, the government defaulting will likely have consequences as well.
    No **** Sherlock! A real Master of the obvious statement there.... Any more useless platitudes you'd like to roll out?


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    Re: Republican mainstream flirts with brief default

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    I'm not opposed to some management of the debt. Wish republicans really believed it when they were in charge and not just when democrats were. That said, no, it's not a very equivilent comparison. There are differences. But just like when we default on our debt, and there are consequences, the government defaulting will likely have consequences as well.
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    Re: Republican mainstream flirts with brief default

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Be specific.
    I think the health care problem has to be fixed, in a way that reduces cost. I think a universal payer system would help do that. I think we have to address The big three, moving medicare and medicaid to a Universal payer system would help. I don't oppose means testing to help lower costs. The military must also face cuts, and we don't need to be invading countries and nation building, period.


    Ah, so it is ok as long as one can point to the opposition doing it too....I see....What's this? How to run a country from the 4th grade playground?
    No, just a wish. Some consistency would be nice. I would bet republicans would give nothing more than lip serice to the debt if they were in power. History shows this to be so.


    It is valid, and equivalent. You just refuse to accept that your guy makes Bush look like a tight wad.
    Not really. It is larger and with different responsibilities that effect many more people. It is in fact very different.


    No **** Sherlock! A real Master of the obvious statement there.... Any more useless platitudes you'd like to roll out?


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    Glad you agree.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Republican mainstream flirts with brief default

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeezy View Post
    Righty-O!

    Shall we start with Medicare?
    In the proper way, sure.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Republican mainstream flirts with brief default

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    No, I really don't think it does.
    Not my problem that you don't get it.

    In a large situation I would likely have to do both. Been there and did that.
    So in a bankruptcy situation your response was to increase your debt load? Really?

    Or was it to hammer as much as you could before the BK was done, so as to add as much to others as possible?

    Who decides able?
    Those giving the money, and assistance.

    I know my family members quite well. I have a brother who sponges. I have a grandmother who needs care. Both are a problem, but I would still choose helping both
    See, I would help the Grand mother, and cut off the sponge.

    over invading my neighbor, no matter how much he was a problem in his own home.
    How long can you bring Bush in as your whipping boy deflection?

    Well, it isn't what I said, but I sure as hell when do it when I couldn't afford it. Seems to me you're trying to skip the point.
    Could you clarify that please?

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    Re: Republican mainstream flirts with brief default

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Not my problem that you don't get it.


    So in a bankruptcy situation your response was to increase your debt load? Really?

    Or was it to hammer as much as you could before the BK was done, so as to add as much to others as possible?
    Not following you leap here. I said, I cut spending and took a second job. Where does this lead to your bankruptcy jump?

    Those giving the money, and assistance.
    Isn't what we do through our elected represention?

    See, I would help the Grand mother, and cut off the sponge.
    Perhaps. But blood is often harder to do.


    How long can you bring Bush in as your whipping boy deflection?
    I didn't mention his name. Not sure why you are. But aren't we in three countries, rebuilding two?

    Could you clarify that please?

    j-mac
    I don't support ever invading anyone witout a just cause, like imminent threat. You're read enough to know that. But, in context of this discussion, I sure as hell wouldn't spend money invading and rebuilding countries when we're broke.

    AUSTAN GOOLSBEE: I think the world vests too much power, certainly in the president, probably in Washington in general for its influence on the economy, because most all of the economy has nothing to do with the government.

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    Re: Republican mainstream flirts with brief default

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    In the proper way, sure.
    And that is?
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    Re: Republican mainstream flirts with brief default

    Pretty much libs show they are literally 4th grade debaters. That's a good way to put it. "Well, rest assured, if a republican was president you'd be fine with the national debt."

    I have issues with that statement and they are as follows:

    1. A republican isn't president, so who the **** cares?
    2. I would definitely care about the debt, it's just that we're finally not facing 1. the worst terrorist attack on our nation or 2. the worst natural disaster our nation has ever faced....that would drive up debt. We are in a lull, a time where we can actually recover if we behave financially.
    3. How the hell do you know how I would think if a republican president was in power? I used to constantly degrade Bush's liberal spending. I just wasn't on this board to do it, but don't tell me how I think or I'll tell you what part of my anatomy you can kiss.

    Why don't you actually give real responses to questions instead of the usual grade school "Well, you guys did it too!" response. That ensures you keep the debate down at your level and not on an actual adult level and ensures no answers come from your mouth as you constantly move the goalposts so people who debate you find themselves defending your false baseless accusations and not addressing the issue at hand.
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