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U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions

Ikari said:
They have certainly tried introducing their own versions of cuts. I just think these are superficial attempts, that they know full well they ask for cuts in areas they can't get the Dems to budge on. In the end, it's a failing of both parties because this is part of the job of Congress, regardless of D or R. They need to do this, but they both get caught up in their political games of parties that they refuse to actually move forward. That's why I wanted to know if what in reality has been accomplished. What were they able to do. This recession didn't start with Obama, it was merely continued by him. There was plenty of time when the R's had more numbers to get things passed.

More and more the trend seems to be that one side offers some legislation, it won't go through, and they throw up their hands and say "well we tried, but the otherside won't work with us". That's more of a constant than either of the parties truly working for us. I don't feel that either party is responsible to the People any longer.
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It seems to me that the fault lies less with the politicians than with the people who elect them. If the people aren't prepared to have spending cuts then the politicians won't propose them. When a powerful man likes Harry Reid says its necessary to give tax dollars to Cowboy poetry contests in Nevada, and the people stay silent, then they become a partner in this debt, waste and inefficiency.

When Congressman Anthony Wanker decides he can tough out the situation rather than resigning as a point of honor, than he is holding the American people in contempt, just as Harry Reid and Nancy Pelosi are doing. Wanker, and others, have lied to the electorate for so long that they feel they can say anything that pops into their heads and the public will buy it. And even when they get caught, nothing will change anyway. The fault lies directly with those who put their political parties ahead of whats best for the long term interests of their country. There needs to be more 'independents',

People in all the democracies must expect the best of their politicians and keep kicking them out until they do whats expected of them. But until we raise our standards, they won't raise theirs.
 
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Ikari said:
Bogged down in pointless hyperpartisanship.
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Bogged down in hyperpartisanship when he controlled the House and Senate? How does that work when only one part is in charge?
 
Ikari said:
Grant said:
They have certainly tried introducing their own versions of cuts. I just think these are superficial attempts, that they know full well they ask for cuts in areas they can't get the Dems to budge on. In the end, it's a failing of both parties because this is part of the job of Congress, regardless of D or R. They need to do this, but they both get caught up in their political games of parties that they refuse to actually move forward. That's why I wanted to know if what in reality has been accomplished. What were they able to do. This recession didn't start with Obama, it was merely continued by him. There was plenty of time when the R's had more numbers to get things passed.

More and more the trend seems to be that one side offers some legislation, it won't go through, and they throw up their hands and say "well we tried, but the otherside won't work with us". That's more of a constant than either of the parties truly working for us. I don't feel that either party is responsible to the People any longer.
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and you're just noticing this? pull up a chair
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MrVicchio said:
U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions - USATODAY.com

So, how about we face reality now that we've made promises we can never hope to keep, and move forward by doing the right thing for our future and ending those programs putting us in such a hole.
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Raises taxes.

Cut waste in existing safety net programs.

Cut zero-gain subsidies to business. (any tax break or credit does not have a clear benefit to the tax payer/consumer/employee)

Claw-back money from military contractors who have failed to deliver on time.

Increase the budget of the FBI white collar crime division.

Increase SEC budge.

Increase fines on corporate crimes.

Increase EPA fines.

Cap consumer credit card interest at prime.

Cap energy and gas prices.

Legalize marijuana.
 
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hazlnut said:
Raises taxes.

Cut waste in existing safety net programs.

Cut zero-gain subsidies to business. (any tax break or credit does not have a clear benefit to the tax payer/consumer/employee)

Claw-back money from military contractors who have failed to deliver on time.

Increase the budget of the FBI white collar crime division.

Increase SEC budge.

Increase fines on corporate crimes.

Increase EPA fines.

Cap consumer credit card interest at prime.

Cap energy and gas prices.

Legalize marijuana.
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one good idea--the rest involve interference with the market and more schemes to take money from the private sector

if taxes are to be raised, they should be raised on the people who don't pay their share of the federal income tax

the 47% for example
 
TurtleDude said:
one good idea--the rest involve interference with the market and more schemes to take money from the private sector
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Funny, the PRIVATE SECTOR didn't mind TARP, AIG & AUTO bailouts...

And why do Banks get loans from the Tax Payers at below prime, but Tax Paying consumers are hit with 29.9%?

And since you said only ONE good idea, I take it you think waste in Safety Net programs is good. And while collar crime is good. And military contractors endlessly delaying delivery... All good, eh?
 
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hazlnut said:
Raises taxes.
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Short Term gain followed by more economic depression. What a "brilliant" plan.
hazlnut said:
Cut waste in existing safety net programs.
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That would be.. cutting them completely.
hazlnut said:
Cut zero-gain subsidies to business. (any tax break or credit does not have a clear benefit to the tax payer/consumer/employee)
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Who decides this?
hazlnut said:
Claw-back money from military contractors who have failed to deliver on time.
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This I can agree with.
hazlnut said:
Increase the budget of the FBI white collar crime division.
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No.
hazlnut said:
Increase SEC budge.
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Eh?
hazlnut said:
Increase fines on corporate crimes.
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I sense with you a great jealous, that only thieves are successful...
hazlnut said:
Increase EPA fines.
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How about dismantle the EPA instead?
hazlnut said:
Cap consumer credit card interest at prime.
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Do you want to end all credit in America?
hazlnut said:
Cap energy and gas prices.
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An impossibility.
hazlnut said:
Legalize marijuana.
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Why,s o people have an escape from the misery that would unfold if most of the above went with it as well?
 
hazlnut said:
Funny, the PRIVATE SECTOR didn't mind TARP, AIG & AUTO bailouts...
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I thought the USA government gave the bailout. Doesn't the government have the guns and shouldn't it have been able to tell those companies to go to hell?

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hazlnut said:
Funny, the PRIVATE SECTOR didn't mind TARP, AIG & AUTO bailouts...

And why do Banks get loans from the Tax Payers at below prime, but Tax Paying consumers are hit with 29.9%?

And since you said only ONE good idea, I take it you think waste in Safety Net programs is good. And while collar crime is good. And military contractors endlessly delaying delivery... All good, eh?
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The auto bailouts were the private sector at one time and why should the unions mind?

Everyone enjoys free money, including the 'private sector' and the public sector.
 
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