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    Re: U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions

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    I wonder how challenging it is for you to completely ignore reality.
    It's impossible, I'm well grounded in reality. Thanks for the insult, though I find it lacking in sufficient smarmy to award you any points.
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    Re: U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions

    What do you suppose VP Biden is doing these days? Democrats and Republicans are going through the choices, just not in public.
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    Re: U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It's impossible, I'm well grounded in reality. Thanks for the insult, though I find it lacking in sufficient smarmy to award you any points.
    It wasn't an insult. It was an observation. There has been 1 or 2 republican budget/budget cut bill proposed, and several attempts to meet dems at the table. There have been 0 democrat budgets/budget cut bills proposed, and no attempts to meet republicans at the table. Obama's budget wasn't even a completed work, but merely a generic guideline. Those are facts. Your statement was disengenous opinion, at best. That's reality. Perhaps you'd like to join us here.
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    Re: U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    What do you suppose VP Biden is doing these days? Democrats and Republicans are going through the choices, just not in public.
    Whatever he is up to I just pray it doesn't involve digital photography and any form of internet connection.

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    Re: U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    It wasn't an insult. It was an observation. There has been 1 or 2 republican budget/budget cut bill proposed, and several attempts to meet dems at the table. There have been 0 democrat budgets/budget cut bills proposed, and no attempts to meet republicans at the table. Obama's budget wasn't even a completed work, but merely a generic guideline. Those are facts. Your statement was disengenous opinion, at best. That's reality. Perhaps you'd like to join us here.
    Republicans do the same thing. They held up everything to get their tax cuts for the rich previous. Don't sit there and pretend that the Republicans never run any form of obstructionist plan. Both sides do it. A lot it turns out. That's reality. Perhaps you'd like to join us here.
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    Re: U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Republicans do the same thing. They held up everything to get their tax cuts for the rich previous. Don't sit there and pretend that the Republicans never run any form of obstructionist plan. Both sides do it. A lot it turns out. That's reality. Perhaps you'd like to join us here.
    I was not the one who implied or directly stated that either party are constantly doing nothing, or obstructing progress. I was pretty clearly refering to the democrats sitting on their asses awaiting re-election instead of doing their damned jobs regarding this budget process / cuts process. I am the first to point out the faults of either party and don't sit around intentionally bashing and creating cute little insultory names for the opposition because of my childish disdain for them.

    If you want to skew arguments and distort truths in order to be correct that's fine. If you want to change your position or ignore history, fact, or truth that's fine. If you want to change defnitions to fit your ideology that's fine. But your motivations and debating techinique are completely transparent.
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    Re: U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    I was not the one who implied or directly stated that either party are constantly doing nothing, or obstructing progress. I was pretty clearly refering to the democrats sitting on their asses awaiting re-election instead of doing their damned jobs regarding this budget process / cuts process. I am the first to point out the faults of either party and don't sit around intentionally bashing and creating cute little insultory names for the opposition because of my childish disdain for them.

    If you want to skew arguments and distort truths in order to be correct that's fine. If you want to change your position or ignore history, fact, or truth that's fine. If you want to change defnitions to fit your ideology that's fine. But your motivations and debating techinique are completely transparent.
    They all do it. The only real accomplishments (if one wishes to use those terms) are the bail outs and subsidies for large corporations and banks. What else have they done? Either of them? We still sit after all these years at over 9% unemployment, there's been no real movement in any of our wars, our deficit keeps increasing and neither side has been able to get it under control. The Republicans were in charge when our debt was flying through the roof as well. But both sides play the politics cards. It's easier to sit and point than to tackle the problem. You can make all the bills you want, but if you make them unreasonable from the start and don't budge you run obstructionist tactics. That's the reality of the situation.

    I skewed no argument, distroted no truth. I merely made a statement about reality. If you can't handle it, that's your problem. But what you wish to do is to ad hominem it up. What productive measures has the government, either party, done to improve our lot? To decrease our debt? To function properly and best serve the People? A real attempt, not politics as usual trying to introduce things you know the other side won't budge on. Got anything? I'm all ears.
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    Re: U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions

    Quote Originally Posted by Chappy View Post
    Oh, my! The sky is falling!

    Why must conservative leadership always operate from a place of fear and loathing?

    Government's mountain of debt - USATODAY.com offers more details and some alternatives to the knee-jerk conservative demands that we must terminate these all too popular and successful social programs or die in the gutter.

    The reality is that the solutions to our long term obligations have been well known for quite some time; spending cuts through tailored program adjustments, e.g., gradually increasing early retirement age to 64 years over the course of decades, and, revenue increases, e.g., allow tax rates to return to their Clinton-era levels when we experienced the greatest economic expansion in human history.

    The sky is not falling no matter how much conservative leaders wish it would.
    Do you see any sufficient public or political interest in any serious spending cuts? That alternative will always be too 'Conservative', too 'right wing',

    It will be like the Freddie Mae/Freddie Mac collapse where everyone denied there was a problem until it was too late to do anything about it.

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    Re: U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions

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    The Republocrats never put anything on the table.
    That's not quite so.

    Paul Ryan of the House Committee on the Budget certainly did, and the Obama Administration hasn't even offered up a budget in well over two years.
    It's much easier to sit back and point fingers than to do anything.
    Well in this case it certainly is because the Republicans offered some modest proposals while the Democrats have as yet offered nothing. Still no budget despite at one time owning the Senate Congress and Presidency.
    Plus, then you can't get in trouble for having done something.
    Barrack Obama couldn't have said it any better.

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    Re: U.S. funding for future promises lags by trillions

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    That's not quite so.

    Paul Ryan of the House Committee on the Budget certainly did, and the Obama Administration hasn't even offered up a budget in well over two years.


    Well in this case it certainly is because the Republicans offered some modest proposals while the Democrats have as yet offered nothing. Still no budget despite at one time owning the Senate Congress and Presidency.


    Barrack Obama couldn't have said it any better.
    They have certainly tried introducing their own versions of cuts. I just think these are superficial attempts, that they know full well they ask for cuts in areas they can't get the Dems to budge on. In the end, it's a failing of both parties because this is part of the job of Congress, regardless of D or R. They need to do this, but they both get caught up in their political games of parties that they refuse to actually move forward. That's why I wanted to know if what in reality has been accomplished. What were they able to do. This recession didn't start with Obama, it was merely continued by him. There was plenty of time when the R's had more numbers to get things passed.

    More and more the trend seems to be that one side offers some legislation, it won't go through, and they throw up their hands and say "well we tried, but the otherside won't work with us". That's more of a constant than either of the parties truly working for us. I don't feel that either party is responsible to the People any longer.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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