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Anonymous declares war on Turkish Government

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Anonymous declares war on Turkish Government - Hurriyet

The ruling Justice and Development Party, or AKP, government plans to implement a filter on Internet browsing on Aug. 22 on the grounds of protecting the youth from "harmful elements on the web." Critics argue that the filter will pave the way for wide-spread censorship.

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"Turkish government, expect us" was the precise words of the Anonymous video.

The video provided verbal support for the Turkish cause and promises to take harsh and decisive action against the Turkish government. You can view that video on the link.
 
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They're a busy little group, aren't they?
 
Is there not some concern that an unchecked group interfering in international government affairs could lead to detrimental affects on the citizens of the world?
 
tessaesque said:
Is there not some concern that an unchecked group interfering in international government affairs could lead to detrimental affects on the citizens of the world?
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As far as im concerned they are fighting to keep the internet open and free for Turkish citizens, the way it should be. The internet will always be a permanent part of our lives and is nothing short of an extension of our fundamental rights as humans to access knowledge freely without being opressed and condemned to ignorance.

It has sparked revolutions and given people hope and democracy globally. I cannot stress the important of this tool.

If governments do not have the decency to secure the rights of their own people then it must be forced unto them. I fully support Anonymous and their embrace of the Turkish people.

Also as far as "foreign" interference is concerned, Anonymous has a lot of Turkish members and the fight against the AKP will likely be carried out mainly by the Anonymous Turkey hacker support base, but Europeans in general and Americans too.
 
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kaya'08 said:
As far as im concerned they are fighting to keep the internet open and free for Turkish citizens, the way it should be. The internet will always be a permanent part of our lives and is nothing short of an extension of our fundamental rights as humans to access knowledge freely without being opressed and condemned to ignorance.

It has sparked revolutions and given people hope and democracy globally. I cannot stress the important of this tool.

If governments do not have the decency to secure the rights of their own people then it must be forced unto them. I fully support Anonymous and their embrace of the Turkish people.

Also as far as "foreign" interference is concerned, Anonymous has heavy Turkish influence and the fight against the AKP will likely be carried about by the Turkish Anonymous base mainly, but Europeans in general and Americans too.
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What if, based on their success, Anonymous decides to expand their platform to other issues? What if their interference leads to financial strain on already-challenged countries which push them further towards collapse or bankruptcy. What if their interference leads to war and death? What if they decide they want to be the ones in power?
 
tessaesque said:
What if, based on their success, Anonymous decides to expand their platform to other issues? What if their interference leads to financial strain on already-challenged countries which push them further towards collapse or bankruptcy.
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I cant imagine that happening because the risk is way too great for them. You need to remember they are not really all that "anonymous". They do stage public gatherings and talks and have been infiltrated multiple times.

They also do not have the expertise, knowledge or man power to take such action. The group isnt composed of the best hackers in the world, China has those (and those are the real bad guys) - but determined people willing to do what it takes.

How many times has China assaulted western networks this year? I've lost count.

Fact is the new battleground is the virtual cloud. You have the allies, the axis, and the freedom fighters inbetween, be that those ready to deploy there expertise to further democracy or terrorise us. That's the new world we live in.

What if their interference leads to war and death? What if they decide they want to be the ones in power?
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Fact is security systems are just way too advanced and devolved for that to ever become feasible. I dont think the US + Europe combined could do that let alone a small group, bit extreme dont you think?
 
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tessaesque said:
What if, based on their success, Anonymous decides to expand their platform to other issues? What if their interference leads to financial strain on already-challenged countries which push them further towards collapse or bankruptcy. What if their interference leads to war and death? What if they decide they want to be the ones in power?
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What if France decides they've had enough of Greenland's bull**** and nukes it? What if Canada invades China? What if I fall down in the shower?
 
Deuce said:
What if France decides they've had enough of Greenland's bull**** and nukes it? What if Canada invades China? What if I fall down in the shower?
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Right. Point taken, however ridiculous it was. My point, however, has some validity behind it. This group could very well cause significant problems in it's attempt to "help" a cause. They are virtually unchecked and unscathed. Some, if not many, of their actions most certainly violate laws in many of the countries they've performed them in.
 
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Right. Point taken, however ridiculous it was. My point, however, has some validity behind it. This group could very well cause significant problems in it's attempt to "help" a cause. They are virtually unchecked and unscathed. Some, if not many, of their actions most certainly violate laws in many of the countries they've performed them in.
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Anonymous members who commit crimes have those crimes investigated by the appropriate law enforcement agencies just like anyone else.

What do you suggest be done?
 
Deuce said:
Anonymous members who commit crimes have those crimes investigated by the appropriate law enforcement agencies just like anyone else.

What do you suggest be done?
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I suggest that we be a little more cautious before ladening praise onto them for what they do. Protest and reform are almost always good things. Subversion, criminal action, and purposely causing harm to generate change are almost always not. I do not recall any article in which a member of Anonymous was charged and tried for a crime, though they've freely admitted to cyber crimes and harrassment.
 
tessaesque said:
I suggest that we be a little more cautious before ladening praise onto them for what they do. Protest and reform are almost always good things. Subversion, criminal action, and purposely causing harm to generate change are almost always not. I do not recall any article in which a member of Anonymous was charged and tried for a crime, though they've freely admitted to cyber crimes and harrassment.
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How about the countries that do not have that leisure of protest you enjoy so much tess? Who helps them overcome internet filters and internet lockdowns? The US is not the world. Protest in the majority of the world is either stiffled violently or has no affect on government supported and upheld by the oligarchs only.

Turkey has a good electoral system heavily influenced by the voter but it also faces a government that wants to expand its powers and create a presidential system which will likely lead to one party rule and a huge internet censorship bill under the guise of protecting youth in a country that has always enjoyed free internet, in a country where Erdogan ruthlessly defends himself against legitemate criticism through the use of riot police.

Our Democratic, modern, Kemalist state is being threatened and is on the verge of complete annihilation. The journey after the death of Ataturks message will be Theocracy and Iranian style rule and it will be just one more bad guy on the block and one more blockade to world peace.
 
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How about the countries that do not have that leisure of protest you enjoy so much tess? Who helps them overcome internet filters and internet lockdowns? The US is not the world. Protest in the majority of the world is either stiffled violently or has no affect on government supported and upheld by the oligarchs only.

Turkey has a good electoral system heavily influenced by the voter but it also faces a government that wants to expand its powers and create a presidential system which will likely lead to one party rule and a huge internet censorship bill under the guise of protecting youth in a country that has always enjoyed free internet, in a country where Erdogan ruthlessly defends himself against legitemate criticism.
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I understand that many governments disallow public protest. But I've also seen public protest occur in those countries. I've seen people join up and fight against governments with weapons they were never allowed to have.

I am fully supportive of people fighting against tyranny. I am fully supportive of outside help in fighting against tyranny. I am fully opposed to giving a group of confessed criminals complete freedom to do and act as they please because they're "doing good". All I'm saying is it would be unwise to sit and allow Anonymous to do anything that puts the rest of the world or the citizens of any country, state, town, or tribe at risk on the basis of any principal. Once they over-extend their reach and people's lives are at risk over their actions it may be too late to stop them. They should be watched carefully, not celebrated and freely encouraged to interfere everywhere they see fit to interfere.
 
I understand that many governments disallow public protest. But I've also seen public protest occur in those countries. I've seen people join up and fight against governments with weapons they were never allowed to have.
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How where these gatherings conducted? A lot of the movement was actually ORGANIZED via the internet through censored sites like Twitter and Facebook. Egypt was even named the Twitter revolution, but Hosni blocked that. So how did people overcome that? Anonymous opened a proxy hub for egyptians to continue using social networking undisturbed, and it worked. If you support this kind of forceful protest (and you are right to) then why is the actions of Anonymous a greater concern in terms of legality during a protest against undemocratic gov?

I am fully opposed to giving a group of confessed criminals complete freedom to do and act as they please because they're "doing good". All I'm saying is it would be unwise to sit and allow Anonymous to do anything that puts the rest of the world or the citizens of any country, state, town, or tribe at risk on the basis of any principal.
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This depends on what end of the gun is pointed at you. From an objective stance giving any group utter freedom is dangerous. But we curb there actions through security mechanisms, through intelligence gathering and legislation. Its precisely these pillars that the US/UK deploys to find and arrest anonymous members. They are NOT exempt from the law, but i also believe there skills can be used for good aswell as bad, a bit like superpowers.

Anonymous Arrests
 
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I personally felt like there was no hope before i heard this news. Anonymous has given me a slice of hope in this fight and we will use it to bring the war to Erdogan.
 
I admire the social action to stop censorship but this group - or this collection of basement dwellers who loosely understand the nature of political and social freedoms - are criminals. Do we forget that they illegally hacked the PSN network, potentially exposing the financial details of millions of people, costing Sony and game developers around the world millions? All because 0.1% of the Sony fans couldn't use a Linux operating system? Besides, these guys are, for the most part, full of hot air. They 'declared war' on the UK in January and nothing came of it.

I fully support internet freedoms but you can't go about it like these people do. Instead of supporting Wikileaks through legitimate political action they hack credit card companies, instead of petitioning Sony they hack their networks, instead of launching a genuine political campaign against Turkey they do this. They need to be stopped, especially considering that, in reality, it's 40 or so people causing all this damage and ignoring the criticisms against them.
 
Im sure that you are aware that crime is a term that is open to interpretation, societies and governments are only there because they are useful to man, not the other way around, and by extension laws are there to serve humanity... If the societies, governments in question and their laws start to fail the citizens, then they must be dealt with by any means nessecary... And remember kids, poorly made laws only make more criminals
 
This reminds me of past youth-led movements. 1960s come to mind. Foolish adventures that remove any tiny portion of the "good fight" and replace it with juvenile delusions.
 
The cold war and the 60's in particular were different times, but still you really cant deny that those movements had a modest part to play in shaping the modern or "post-modern" world today. But I agree every fight must be fought with purpose and cunning.... But harassment works too, Im not going to rant about corrupt governments and pointless beurocracy, thats just how **** is, however Im going to say that if you want something you must be ready to take it
 
tessaesque said:
I suggest that we be a little more cautious before ladening praise onto them for what they do. Protest and reform are almost always good things. Subversion, criminal action, and purposely causing harm to generate change are almost always not. I do not recall any article in which a member of Anonymous was charged and tried for a crime, though they've freely admitted to cyber crimes and harrassment.
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So, I shouldn't praise someone for taking action I support because they might hypothetically do something I don't support at some theoretical point in the future?
 
Deuce said:
So, I shouldn't praise someone for taking action I support because they might hypothetically do something I don't support at some theoretical point in the future?
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Yes. heheh

Though Turkey is a sovereign nation and is well within their abilities (so long as their People allow it) to censor the internet; much like China does. And I'm sure Turkey wouldn't take too kindly if these kids did this. I suppose we'll see how this turns out.
 
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