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Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

Kal'Stang said:
People that are in the military usually have more discipline. Not to mention are subject to more rules than thier civilian counterparts.
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I see you have absolutely NO idea of what you are talking about.
 
Kal'Stang said:
I see that you have said nothing that actually counters what I said.
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You obviously know NO military people. I have spent my life in military environments. You are out of your freqin mind if you think military personnel are so ruled by 'discipline' that they dont encounter the same actions behaviors as demonstrated by civilians. Anyone that says otherwise has zero knowledge of military personnel.
 
Kal'Stang said:
So you'd still make advances on her even though she told you no? What if she was married?
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Depends on how old I am, and how horny. I wouldn't rape her, certainly not, but I might not necessarily take the first no as the answer either? I can be very charming ya know when I want to. :)


Tim-
 
Hicup said:
Depends on how old I am, and how horny. I wouldn't rape her, certainly not, but I might not necessarily take the first no as the answer either? I can be very charming ya know when I want to. :)


Tim-
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Source and origin of the phrase "what goes TDY stays TDY"...
 
Navy Pride said:
Its pbvious by your comment that you have never seerved in the military or you would know about troops morale ans command readiness.........Happy troops aew much betteer in combat........They don't need the gay thing disturbing them.......
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I think the issue is the 'gay thing' shouldn't disturb them. And probably won't. You are convinced it will, though. We'll see.

You are right, I have never served in the military, and never will because I'm past the age to do so. But the rules are important in the service, aren't they? I bet you followed the rules when you were serving, right? So should everyone else.
 
Redress said:
Strait couples may not be able to live together on ship, but then again, neither can gay couples, except possibly 2 man berths for officers, and I suspect it would be frowned upon by command.
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Gays will live together aboard ship......Gay men will live in a berthing compartment with straight men...They will shower and dress and undress with meb as they do now.....The difference is they will know who is gay.....
 
disneydude said:
And the undeniale fact is Navy.....men and women of the military are no different than men and women in general. Most humans are able to control their sexual urges. Why do you believe that the military men/women are incapable of that? Please, give them more credit than you do.
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in the private sextor straight men and women don't shower and sleep together.....They work their 8 hours and go home.........Its not like that in the Navy aboard ship......
 
Navy Pride said:
Gays will live together aboard ship......Gay men will live in a berthing compartment with straight men...They will shower and dress and undress with meb as they do now.....The difference is they will know who is gay.....
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this will put straight men i n difficult situation to live with gay men.
 
Kal'Stang said:
People that are in the military usually have more discipline. Not to mention are subject to more rules than thier civilian counterparts.
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The reason they are subject to so many rules, is because military personel--in general--need alot of adult supervision.
 
Navy Pride said:
Gays will live together aboard ship......Gay men will live in a berthing compartment with straight men...They will shower and dress and undress with meb as they do now.....The difference is they will know who is gay.....
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Navy, I would love to see the two guys who could share a bunk onboard ship, let alone do something while in it. Maybe, in some places a top rack, but even that is unlikely for some one not a contortionist.
 
VanceMack said:
Men are not women...women are not men. You have the same minds blowing grasp on gender as does Redress...AWESOME...SO WHAT? Why arent men and women quartered together? Can you even POSSIBLY...I know...its tough...but work with me here...POSSIBLY understand that men are attracted to women...GAY men are attracted to men...Straight women are attracted to men...and lesbians are attracted to other women. And you cant POSSIBLY foresee where that is a problem for some? I can. I have had female soldiers demand room transfers because their roommates...NOT open or declared lesbians...spent 90% of their time in their panties while in their room talking to their roommate. While they never overtly hit on their roommates, their rommates would regularly find their lesbian roommates staring at them. Again...NEVER an overt act or gesture. But...SHOCKING though it may seem...lesbians are frequently attracted to WOMEN and some women dont love the thought of sharing a 12 x 20 room with a homosexual roommate.

You and others and your absolute refusal to see that this might be a legitimate problem to some is mind numbing. You refuse to see it because you refuse to acknowledge the potential problems.
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Because that isn't the only reason that men and women do not live together in the military. The bigger reason that we don't live together is it is not part of our culture to house/berth/shower men and women together. We still have a very modest mindset concerning these things. The civilian world still has separate restrooms for men and women.

It does not work that way for straights and gays. We do allow straights and gays of the same sex to share bathrooms/locker rooms.
 
Carls said:
if there is fight between 2guys that live together, they must be 2 single guys and not married. so this mean they are not domestic violence or there will be discharge from militaire. is this corrrect to what you are saying?
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Until the repeal is official. After the repeal is official, claims of assault between two people who view themselves as a couple or who were a couple will be investigated as domestic violence, not just assault, whether the couple is two men, two women, or a man and a woman. If the claim is made officially before the repeal is official, the same sex couple or at least the military member of the couple can still be put out under DADT.
 
Hicup said:
Depends on how old I am, and how horny. I wouldn't rape her, certainly not, but I might not necessarily take the first no as the answer either? I can be very charming ya know when I want to. :)


Tim-
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And you could get charged with sexual harassment for not taking no for an answer in the military. Especially if you knew the woman was married. Expect to be punished appropriately.
 
Navy Pride said:
in the private sextor straight men and women don't shower and sleep together.....They work their 8 hours and go home.........Its not like that in the Navy aboard ship......
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Let me rephrase Navy.....pretty much ALL men/women are capable of controlling their sexual urges....even if they shower and sleep together. Its called been mature and professional. Perhaps you think less of the men and women of the military than the rest of us....most of us believe that they are not heathens and animals and can control themselves. Why do you think so poorly of them?
 
Navy Pride said:
Gays will live together aboard ship......Gay men will live in a berthing compartment with straight men...They will shower and dress and undress with meb as they do now.....The difference is they will know who is gay.....
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Many people aboard ships know who is gay and who isn't now. Anyone who believes the majority of the gays in the Navy aren't open about it, especially to most of those in their berthings are fooling themselves. Our department knew who was gay and who was straight and who was bi, for the most part. And most did not care. Not even the men. Those men who might have cared learned quickly that they were going to get ribbed by every other guy in their division for expressing anything stupid about someone else's sexuality.

Heck, I knew straight guys who would hump each other's legs and pretend kiss other guys and climb into occupied racks just to **** with each other.
 
Navy Pride said:
in the private sextor straight men and women don't shower and sleep together.....They work their 8 hours and go home.........Its not like that in the Navy aboard ship......
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Not all jobs NP. Doctors, nurses, firemen, and policemen are all people who have jobs where they may have to shower and/or change and sometimes even sleep with people they work with. They do not require any separate arrangements for gays and straights.
 
roguenuke said:
So what is the difference if it is just suspected or known without proof and someone being able to say it right out?
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:confused: it seems the difference there is rather obvious. one doesn't have to be and one does.

If someone feels that they cannot perform their job to the best of their ability because they might have to sleep with a gay guy, then they should get out of the military at their next opportunity. Until then, they need to suck it up and do their job. If the gay guy isn't disturbing anyone, i.e. hitting on them or actually trying something, then the fear or discomfort is irrational and needs to be dealt with by the person feeling it. It isn't the gay guy's fault.
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:doh why do you continue to pretend this is a matter of individual professionalism? combat is a team sport.
 
roguenuke said:
OMG! Honestly, why do you guys keep bringing this up? It is different.

We have explained this earlier in this thread. Men are not women and women are not men.
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demonstrating a difference in body parts in no way answers the point. we don't seperate men and women because innies and outies can't mix, we separate them because of sexuality.

it's not different. though it is noteworthy that you would seek to protect women from the very thing that you are demanding of the men.

They have different body parts and different body functions, including women get a period once a month that I'm pretty sure most men would not be comfortable living with. The women would be very likely to kill the men, at least some of them, if they had to live together all the time and interact that much with men that they weren't even involved with.

So I guess my answer is that we don't have men and women living together for the protection of the men.
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so? as you put it, who cares if they are comfortable - they need to just magically stop being 18-22 year old males and become more professional. maybe our young females need to just get more comfortable with the fact that they can be required to strip down naked in front of our males.
 
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cpwill said:
:confused: it seems the difference there is rather obvious. one doesn't have to be and one does.
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Who or what do you mean by "one"? And what exactly is it it that one does have to do and the other doesn't have to do?

cpwill said:
why do you continue to pretend this is a matter of individual professionalism? combat is a team sport.
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Because individual professionalism or lack of it is what will affect the team, not a stupid stereotype of how a group of people might act or what might happen if we allow gays to say they are gay. If everyone on the team acts professionally and does their job to the best of their ability without allowing their own feelings to hamper their abilities, then the team will work well together. This applies to everyone, gay or straight.
 
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