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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no, i'm not. I don't doubt you will get instances of that occuring, and I don't doubt that you will get instances of that being suspected (Cpl Jones always picks me to check for ticks.... why? etc.) which will create it's own problems - but my argument here assumes nothing more than the fact that they will be homosexual males, that homosexual males are attracted to other males, and that other males are aware of this. that is all that is necessary to start throwing up boundaries and barriers to personal interaction where none existed previously. we can all teabag each other throughout the field ex's because it's funny.... but no one is going to rub their penis in the gay guys' face or really find it particularly hilarious when he does it to them - he's different because of his sexuality, he can't be fully part of the joke part of the group, part of the intimacy that occurs in male-bonding. and because sexuality is generally unchanging, that is always going to be there. we won't see a shift as we did with racial tension because whlie attitudes towards racial differences (and agreed, towards sexual differences) are subject to change, basic sexual drive is not. he's not going to cease being gay anymore than you are going to cease being a woman - and because of that the nature and level of interaction between him and others will always have barriers and limitations that currently do not exist. because he will not cease being gay any more than I will cease being straight or you will cease being a woman that tension will always be there, seperating members of the unit from one another and hurting that cohesion and unity that is so vital.



    to me it's about not making it harder for the guys on the pointy end to do their job and make it back home in one piece. i couldn't give a **** less if people are offended or have their feelings hurt, or suffer loss of self-worth, or not, so long as that end is achieved.
    So what is the difference if it is just suspected or known without proof and someone being able to say it right out? With DADT in place, a gay guy could technically be seen with a guy on a date by a single person or tell people in his unit that he is gay and the unit can choose not to investigate it if there is no evidence, only hearsay. If the guy denies he is gay, there is really nothing that can be done about it.

    Also, what you are describing has been overcome by plenty of units, including some of our own combat units, who know that there are gay men in their units. So we know that most people can overcome the discomfort of being naked around or close to gay guys that they have to work with. Those who can't are the ones with the problems. Yes, I expect a lot from our soldiers because they signed up to defend our country, not to feel comfortable while they are doing their jobs.

    You continue to not address the points I am making about how there really isn't a difference between someone being allowed to say they are gay with no repercussions and saying you are gay once or twice when you know there is no evidence that someone can use against you to prove it. The comfort level for the unit is going to be the same whether the person can't be kicked out because it isn't against the rules or whether the person can't be kicked out because there is no proof or no one else cares enough to persue it.

    If someone feels that they cannot perform their job to the best of their ability because they might have to sleep with a gay guy, then they should get out of the military at their next opportunity. Until then, they need to suck it up and do their job. If the gay guy isn't disturbing anyone, i.e. hitting on them or actually trying something, then the fear or discomfort is irrational and needs to be dealt with by the person feeling it. It isn't the gay guy's fault.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    The problem is gay men living together is the same as men and women living together because gay men are sexually attracted to one another as the norm men and women being attracted to each other............
    Seriously Navy.....most men are able to control themselves. They don't have an uncontrollable urge to boink everything that moves. Why do you believe that the men and women of the military are any different. They are not the heathens and animals that you obviously believe that they are. Most are professional and mature enough to control themselves.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Oh yeah buddy! Gay men find Every Single Straight Man on the planet irresistible!
    Oh yeah sister...straight men find every single woman on the planet irresistable!

    Yep...your sarcasm is noted and returned. So...since its no big deal for one, why should it matter if men and women are routinely quartered together?

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Oh yeah sister...straight men find every single woman on the planet irresistable!

    Yep...your sarcasm is noted and returned. So...since its no big deal for one, why should it matter if men and women are routinely quartered together?
    OMG! Honestly, why do you guys keep bringing this up? It is different.

    We have explained this earlier in this thread. Men are not women and women are not men.

    They have different body parts and different body functions, including women get a period once a month that I'm pretty sure most men would not be comfortable living with. The women would be very likely to kill the men, at least some of them, if they had to live together all the time and interact that much with men that they weren't even involved with.

    So I guess my answer is that we don't have men and women living together for the protection of the men.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Navy...strait couples can live together, so why can't gay couples?
    If straight couples can live together why don't we have coed showers and berthing compartments aboard ship? Why are they separate?
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    OMG! Honestly, why do you guys keep bringing this up? It is different.

    We have explained this earlier in this thread. Men are not women and women are not men.

    They have different body parts and different body functions, including women get a period once a month that I'm pretty sure most men would not be comfortable living with. The women would be very likely to kill the men, at least some of them, if they had to live together all the time and interact that much with men that they weren't even involved with.

    So I guess my answer is that we don't have men and women living together for the protection of the men.
    Men are not women...women are not men. You have the same minds blowing grasp on gender as does Redress...AWESOME...SO WHAT? Why arent men and women quartered together? Can you even POSSIBLY...I know...its tough...but work with me here...POSSIBLY understand that men are attracted to women...GAY men are attracted to men...Straight women are attracted to men...and lesbians are attracted to other women. And you cant POSSIBLY foresee where that is a problem for some? I can. I have had female soldiers demand room transfers because their roommates...NOT open or declared lesbians...spent 90% of their time in their panties while in their room talking to their roommate. While they never overtly hit on their roommates, their rommates would regularly find their lesbian roommates staring at them. Again...NEVER an overt act or gesture. But...SHOCKING though it may seem...lesbians are frequently attracted to WOMEN and some women dont love the thought of sharing a 12 x 20 room with a homosexual roommate.

    You and others and your absolute refusal to see that this might be a legitimate problem to some is mind numbing. You refuse to see it because you refuse to acknowledge the potential problems.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    And the repeal of DADT has nothing to do with this. Gay men were living together prior.
    It has plenty to do with it, espeecially aboard a Navy ship........
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Oh yeah buddy! Gay men find Every Single Straight Man on the planet irresistible!
    THe undenialable fact is like men and women are attracted to one another gay men are attracted to other men............
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Oh yeah sister...straight men find every single woman on the planet irresistable!

    Yep...your sarcasm is noted and returned. So...since its no big deal for one, why should it matter if men and women are routinely quartered together?
    Beats me. You saying it does?

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Navy Pride View Post
    If straight couples can live together why don't we have coed showers and berthing compartments aboard ship? Why are they separate?
    Strait couples may not be able to live together on ship, but then again, neither can gay couples, except possibly 2 man berths for officers, and I suspect it would be frowned upon by command.
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