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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    That's the funny part. If a heterosexual man gets complimented or asked out by a woman it is considered a compliment. But if a homosexual guy said the same thing to a heterosexual guy it is "repulsive, gross, icky" etc etc. Its one big contradiction.
    really? is it just as "icky" as if the hetero guy was complimented or asked out by his cousin or sister?
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    in a foxhole, in a ditch, in the same sleeping bag - it all depends on the weather. I used to have a boot (boot is a term used for "new guy" who hasn't deployed yet) called PK who was my designated blanket when it was cold and windy. nice, big, hairy, smelly, heavy blanket that I just pulled over me and went to sleep, two, or more, or all of us in a puppy pile. I probably cuddled another guy named Jimmy more than my wife during our first year of marriage - it was a winter training cycle, and damn how it rained All. The. Time.
    Still, sleeping next to each other to keep warm is not the same as sleeping together in a bed.

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    guessing - you haven't spent alot of time in foxholes? even in a warzone, your time is 99.9% utter boredom; not rockets bursting o'er-head.
    You're right, I haven't. Never been in the military. Still, even if bored there is no reason to think that a gay guy would hit on anyone in his unit when that gay guy knows that they are all straight. It's not like gay guys can't control themselves any less than straight folks.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    really? is it just as "icky" as if the hetero guy was complimented or asked out by his cousin or sister?
    Complimented? No. Asked out...would prolly depend on the guy I'd imagine. Incest does exist after all. But for those that aren't into incest..yeah, it prolly would be icky.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Still, sleeping next to each other to keep warm is not the same as sleeping together in a bed.



    You're right, I haven't. Never been in the military. Still, even if bored there is no reason to think that a gay guy would hit on anyone in his unit when that gay guy knows that they are all straight. It's not like gay guys can't control themselves any less than straight folks.
    Kal, come on. If I was in a foxhole with a female, ugly or not, there is a limit on just how long it will take for me to probe the chances of getting some head.. Don't see why it would be different with a gay dude and a straight guy?

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Still, sleeping next to each other to keep warm is not the same as sleeping together in a bed.
    no. in a bed you don't usually have full-body contact.

    You're right, I haven't. Never been in the military. Still, even if bored there is no reason to think that a gay guy would hit on anyone in his unit when that gay guy knows that they are all straight. It's not like gay guys can't control themselves any less than straight folks.
    so you are in favor of forcing young female members of the military to strip down and cuddle up with the males?

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

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    Kal, come on. If I was in a foxhole with a female, ugly or not, there is a limit on just how long it will take for me to probe the chances of getting some head.. Don't see why it would be different with a gay dude and a straight guy?

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    point worth noting - 5 months into a deployment, there is no such thing as an ugly female.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

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    Clearly all liberals think all soldiers are murderers of all babies!
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    point worth noting - 5 months into a deployment, there is no such thing as an ugly female.
    5???? get real. more like 2 or 3
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarB63 View Post
    5???? get real. more like 2 or 3
    I suggest you guys try beer, it works faster.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    But you are assuming that enough of the gay guys will harass the straight guys that this will be a problem.
    no, i'm not. I don't doubt you will get instances of that occuring, and I don't doubt that you will get instances of that being suspected (Cpl Jones always picks me to check for ticks.... why? etc.) which will create it's own problems - but my argument here assumes nothing more than the fact that they will be homosexual males, that homosexual males are attracted to other males, and that other males are aware of this. that is all that is necessary to start throwing up boundaries and barriers to personal interaction where none existed previously. we can all teabag each other throughout the field ex's because it's funny.... but no one is going to rub their penis in the gay guys' face or really find it particularly hilarious when he does it to them - he's different because of his sexuality, he can't be fully part of the joke part of the group, part of the intimacy that occurs in male-bonding. and because sexuality is generally unchanging, that is always going to be there. we won't see a shift as we did with racial tension because whlie attitudes towards racial differences (and agreed, towards sexual differences) are subject to change, basic sexual drive is not. he's not going to cease being gay anymore than you are going to cease being a woman - and because of that the nature and level of interaction between him and others will always have barriers and limitations that currently do not exist. because he will not cease being gay any more than I will cease being straight or you will cease being a woman that tension will always be there, seperating members of the unit from one another and hurting that cohesion and unity that is so vital.

    To me this is about personal responsibility and holding people accountable for their actions, instead of labeling a whole group of people (gays) as troublemakers based on their sexuality rather than their individual actions and worth.
    to me it's about not making it harder for the guys on the pointy end to do their job and make it back home in one piece. i couldn't give a **** less if people are offended or have their feelings hurt, or suffer loss of self-worth, or not, so long as that end is achieved.

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