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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    if it is pressed after being asked not to, its harassment and the command can handle it.
    Oh, I just meant like a sentence asking why the "I can't", which would be normal if they're disappointed.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    It's a compliment, and should be treated as such.
    That's the funny part. If a heterosexual man gets complimented or asked out by a woman it is considered a compliment. But if a homosexual guy said the same thing to a heterosexual guy it is "repulsive, gross, icky" etc etc. Its one big contradiction.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

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    Maybe you wouldn't feel compelled to call people--who don't think exactly like you--bigots, if it weren't for your own bigotted mindset.
    You obviously have no clue what bigotry means. Your support of bigoted policy proves you are. My dislike for any military as an organization is not singling out any individuals nor have any of my posts said that I have a particular disdain for those in military. Disliking an organization is far different than the directed bigotry that you are in favor of. So you may want to rethink that.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

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    I got a better idea. Show us units from armies with open gay policies that have been trully tested in combat and performed superbly. You don't have any. I already know that. Because units with open gay policies haven't been in any real battled.

    How 'bout those British sailors that were captured--correction--up-n-surrendered to the Iranians a few year ago? They did a fine job. Eh?
    Just as I thought you have no links so your information is false. Thank you.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Being looked at and considered handsome/pretty by someone of the same gender while in the shower....thats really about it.

    Edit: Oh and getting hit on by someone of the same gender. Of course I've never known a gay to hit on someone that they know is heterosexual so....
    I don't think there is much chance that gays are going to run around hitting on straight people. I really don't think there will be much staring in the showers either. That idea is paranoid to the full. It's almost delusional in it's dimensions.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    I don't think there is much chance that gays are going to run around hitting on straight people. I really don't think there will be much staring in the showers either. That idea is paranoid to the full. It's almost delusional in it's dimensions.
    When I was young, I was told something very appropriate for this situation:

    "hun, ain't no strait guy alive knows how to do for me what I need done. I will stick with gay guys who can make me tingle."
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Even if they did, the standard response that everybody should know is "I'm flattered, but I can't." They probably won't press you, but if they do, just say either "I'm taken" or "I'm straight."

    It's a compliment, and should be treated as such.
    this isn't like your workplace. after this conversation is over, this person isn't going to say "oh, well, okay then" and go back to their cubicle. you are going to strip down naked for them so that they can check you for ticks. you will be sleeping with them tonight. there isn't any personal space.


    i stick with my original point which is my only point here - which is that that reality means that the introduction of the natural barriers that come along with sexuality will reduce ease of intimacy and unit cohesion. those of you who want to say that recognizing that reality (that sexuality exists) makes one a bigot? go ahead. you are no better than that which you are accusing others of. enjoy your pretensions of superiority fed by a smug sense of the ability to depend upon emotion rather than reason.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    this isn't like your workplace. the person who just hit on you is someone who will be in charge of stripping you down nekked and checking you for ticks and whom you will be sleeping with tonight. there isn't any personal space.


    i stick with my original point which is my only point here - which is that that reality means that the introduction of the natural barriers that come along with sexuality will reduce ease of intimacy and unit cohesion.
    Sleeping together in a foxhole or in seperate beds. They certainly won't be sleeping together having sex. Besides which if I'm in a foxhole I certainly wouldn't be caring about some dude checking me out. I'd be more worried about snipers or missiles or bullets.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Sleeping together in a foxhole or in seperate beds.
    in a foxhole, in a ditch, in the same sleeping bag - it all depends on the weather. I used to have a boot (boot is a term used for "new guy" who hasn't deployed yet) called PK who was my designated blanket when it was cold and windy. nice, big, hairy, smelly, heavy blanket that I just pulled over me and went to sleep, two, or more, or all of us in a puppy pile. I probably cuddled another guy named Jimmy more than my wife during our first year of marriage - it was a winter training cycle, and damn how it rained All. The. Time.

    They certainly won't be sleeping together having sex. Besides which if I'm in a foxhole I certainly wouldn't be caring about some dude checking me out. I'd be more worried about snipers or missiles or bullets.
    guessing - you haven't spent alot of time in foxholes? even in a warzone, your time is 99.9% utter boredom; not rockets bursting o'er-head.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    this isn't like your workplace. after this conversation is over, this person isn't going to say "oh, well, okay then" and go back to their cubicle. you are going to strip down naked for them so that they can check you for ticks. you will be sleeping with them tonight. there isn't any personal space.


    i stick with my original point which is my only point here - which is that that reality means that the introduction of the natural barriers that come along with sexuality will reduce ease of intimacy and unit cohesion. those of you who want to say that recognizing that reality (that sexuality exists) makes one a bigot? go ahead. you are no better than that which you are accusing others of. enjoy your pretensions of superiority fed by a smug sense of the ability to depend upon emotion rather than reason.
    But you are assuming that enough of the gay guys will harass the straight guys that this will be a problem. I really doubt that will happen. It is unlikely that any good soldier, including a gay soldier, would be willing to make his buddy feel uncomfortable like that while in that sort of situation, especially considering the potential response and/or negative publicity that it would give to some who feel the repeal was a bad idea. If a gay guy is asking out his fellow soldiers, especially while in the field or in a situation where they are likely to be sleeping close or seeing each other naked, then I could see that being an issue. But why not just figure out a way to deal with it through enforcement of other rules or different sleeping arrangements, rather than acting like DADT is the one rule keeping the gay guys from becoming horny, unprofessional jerks who can't keep their feelings in check.

    And would there not be other things that made someone feel uncomfortable with sleeping with another guy, such as tendency to have sexual dreams and arousal that comes with them or a sleep cuddler? That seems to me like things that would make guys uncomfortable while sleeping with another guy, but they are things that can't be controlled. But it also comes back to the fact that there are already gay guys in the military. Some of those guys are already openly gay within their units or at least suspected of being gay. How would you handle a guy now who everyone suspected of being gay but no one could prove? So how does allowing him to say that he is gay, when he is not disrupting anyone else in his unit, change the environment? Everyone was pretty sure he was gay before, they just couldn't prove it.

    To me this is about personal responsibility and holding people accountable for their actions, instead of labeling a whole group of people (gays) as troublemakers based on their sexuality rather than their individual actions and worth.
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