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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Their combat record isn't what it was in the Yom Kippur War, nor have they gotten into a fight on that scale, since; nor have they tangled with an enemy as strong and organized as those it faced in '73 and '67. The Dutch Army in Serbia was attacked by such and enemy and totally fell apart.

    During the '09 War, there were several IDF units that didn't perform very well.

    When they get into another tank battle like The Golan Heights and kick ass on the same scale, come see me.
    I will take stupid comparisons for 1000 Alex. Again, there is a total of zero evidence that the problems of the Dutch army was allowing gays to serve, and lots of evidence it was other problems.

    The IDF is still one of the most busy militaries and one of the best in the world.

    The US military has allowed gays to serve in some capacity for quite some time, and in many cases the gays are fairly open about it when they feel comfortable enough(it's a bad idea though), and yet the US military is still kicking ass and taking names. There is a total of zero evidence that allowing gays to serve reduces readiness.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Gay men are not women. Gay women are not men.
    Your stellar grasp of human sexuality aside, its pretty foolish to pretend one should never be a problem while the other is EXPECTED to be a problem.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Links to that information you shared that tells us that the problem is absolutely do to the gays. Thanks.
    I got a better idea. Show us units from armies with open gay policies that have been trully tested in combat and performed superbly. You don't have any. I already know that. Because units with open gay policies haven't been in any real battled.

    How 'bout those British sailors that were captured--correction--up-n-surrendered to the Iranians a few year ago? They did a fine job. Eh?

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Allowing gays to serve openly may have had a negative impact on their combat readiness.

    We hear about how about allowing gays to serve openly has been tried and it suceeded, but in reality those armies that have open gay policies have yet to be tested in combat. One that has been tested--The Dutch--failed miserably and 20,000 people died, because of that failure.
    Or it could have been the zodiac chart of their general was against them. Both equally likely.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    I will take stupid comparisons for 1000 Alex. Again, there is a total of zero evidence that the problems of the Dutch army was allowing gays to serve, and lots of evidence it was other problems.
    There is tons of evidence that proves that armies with open gay policies experience substandard performance in battle.

    The IDF is still one of the most busy militaries and one of the best in the world.
    The last real fight they were in was The Yom Kippur War. There hasn't been anything to really test the IDF's metal, since insituting an open gay policy.

    The US military has allowed gays to serve in some capacity for quite some time, and in many cases the gays are fairly open about it when they feel comfortable enough(it's a bad idea though), and yet the US military is still kicking ass and taking names. There is a total of zero evidence that allowing gays to serve reduces readiness.
    Not openly. There's the difference.

    In your tactical studies of late, have you learned the importance of unit cohesion, yet? Have you learned the factors that positively/negatively effect unit cohesion?

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Or it could have been the zodiac chart of their general was against them. Both equally likely.
    That's the best retort you can come up with for their dispicable behavior in the face of the enemy?

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    There is tons of evidence that proves that armies with open gay policies experience substandard performance in battle.
    So why have you provided none?

    The last real fight they were in was The Yom Kippur War. There hasn't been anything to really test the IDF's metal, since insituting an open gay policy.
    The IDF has not been in a big war, but they have done plenty of fighting, and are still among the most effective at doing so, despite allowing gays to serve.



    Not openly. There's the difference.
    At times, yes, some gays are fairly open. It's not a good idea, but in some units, gays feel safe enough to do so.

    In your tactical studies of late, have you learned the importance of unit cohesion, yet? Have you learned the factors that positively/negatively effect unit cohesion?
    There is no evidence gays serving openly causing any noticeable degradation of unit cohesion.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    That's the best retort you can come up with for their dispicable behavior in the face of the enemy?
    I was highlighting how poor your retort was actually. You are making an assumption about events with no evidence whatsoever that it was true, and ignoring the more likely causes.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So why have you provided none?



    The IDF has not been in a big war, but they have done plenty of fighting, and are still among the most effective at doing so, despite allowing gays to serve.





    At times, yes, some gays are fairly open. It's not a good idea, but in some units, gays feel safe enough to do so.



    There is no evidence gays serving openly causing any noticeable degradation of unit cohesion.
    I've given you several examples of units with open gay policies exhibiting piss poor performance in combat.

    It's your turn.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    See? Social reform isn't so bad now is it?
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