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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And if something happens because a person could not control himself long enough to do his job, then I blame that person, whether he is gay or straight. It has nothing to do with this policy or the repeal, and everything to do with a soldier's own inability to act professionally and do his job, no matter what his personal feelings are.
    And when DADT is finally repealed they will be. Hopefully no one will die because of it.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Which is precisely why they should put men and women in the same quarters. I mean...come on...its not like all the men are going to be turned on by all the women. Or does sexual attraction and proclivities ONLY apply when we are trying to minimize concerns over openly gay soldiers quartering with other men?

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    And when DADT is finally repealed they will be. Hopefully no one will die because of it.
    If someone does die, again it will be because of someone's personal lack of professionalism, not because the repeal of a discriminatory policy. I hope no one does die either, but I at least realize that it is at least almost as likely to happen now as it is when the repeal is finalized. If a person is willing to jeopardize the mission or lives because a person admits to being gay and there isn't anything the person can do about it through the COC, then I don't see how that is different from the guy finding out or suspecting someone is gay, without proof, and still not being able to do anything through the COC.

    Not only that, I do not hold people responsible for the discrimination, unprofessionalism, and/or hatred of others because of the group they are in. And most people would not be accepting of this either if it were another group. For instance, we do not expect Muslim servicemembers to hide the fact that they are Muslims from the rest of their units. I would say that there would be at least as many, if not more, problems from having someone who is Muslim in combat units as there are from the sexual tension that gays might cause.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by tryreading View Post
    Didn't see this posted anywhere. Seems things are going as expected regarding the new policy. I think most of us knew our military wouldn't fall apart over this.
    WASHINGTON More than a million U.S. troops roughly half the armed forces have been trained on the new law allowing gays to serve openly in the military, and so far there has been none of the turmoil or dire consequences predicted by opponents of what had been expected to be a wrenching change in military culture.
    There's been no widespread resistance, no mad rush for the door by enlisted members opposed to the policy and no drop in recruiting.
    "So far this seems to be a non-event," Gen. Peter Chiarelli, vice chief of staff for the Army, told reporters recently.

    Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal - Yahoo! News
    That's not a good sign. Our culture is turning to crap.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    If someone does die, again it will be because of someone's personal lack of professionalism, not because the repeal of a discriminatory policy. I hope no one does die either, but I at least realize that it is at least almost as likely to happen now as it is when the repeal is finalized. If a person is willing to jeopardize the mission or lives because a person admits to being gay and there isn't anything the person can do about it through the COC, then I don't see how that is different from the guy finding out or suspecting someone is gay, without proof, and still not being able to do anything through the COC.

    Not only that, I do not hold people responsible for the discrimination, unprofessionalism, and/or hatred of others because of the group they are in. And most people would not be accepting of this either if it were another group. For instance, we do not expect Muslim servicemembers to hide the fact that they are Muslims from the rest of their units. I would say that there would be at least as many, if not more, problems from having someone who is Muslim in combat units as there are from the sexual tension that gays might cause.
    If someone dies, it will be because of a breakdown in discipline and unit cohesion. As we saw with the Dutch Army in Serbia.

    So far, there isn't a good track record for any army with an open gay policy.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If someone dies, it will be because of a breakdown in discipline and unit cohesion. As we saw with the Dutch Army in Serbia.

    So far, there isn't a good track record for any army with an open gay policy.

    What about the IDF?

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    We cannot discuss the IDF (or its record of discipline or cohesion) outside of ME and under ML. Just delete the post so you don't cause a response.



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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    What about the IDF?
    Their combat record isn't what it was in the Yom Kippur War, nor have they gotten into a fight on that scale, since; nor have they tangled with an enemy as strong and organized as those it faced in '73 and '67. The Dutch Army in Serbia was attacked by such and enemy and totally fell apart.

    During the '09 War, there were several IDF units that didn't perform very well.

    When they get into another tank battle like The Golan Heights and kick ass on the same scale, come see me.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Their combat record isn't what it was in the Yom Kippur War, nor have they gotten into a fight on that scale, since; nor have they tangled with an enemy as strong and organized as those it faced in '73 and '67. The Dutch Army in Serbia was attacked by such and enemy and totally fell apart.

    During the '09 War, there were several IDF units that didn't perform very well.

    When they get into another tank battle like The Golan Heights and kick ass on the same scale, come see me.
    Do you think that change relates to their viewpoint on gays? Or are we just going off topic now?

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