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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I made that comment because some people like to equate the problems caused in mixed gender units (units with men and women) to the problems that might arise from units having gays in them. There are no mixed gender combat units in the US military. There are gay men in our combat units. But there is a big difference between women and gay men and how men treat women as compared to how men treat other men, even gay men.
    you are overestimating that difference because you are discounting the continued presence of sexual tension. since you have never been part of an all-male unit, you don't recognize the distinction between its' presence, and it's lack.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

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    Do you even know how poor this argument is?

    I would put it about on par with those accusing others of bigotry.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

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    you are overestimating that difference because you are discounting the continued presence of sexual tension. since you have never been part of an all-male unit, you don't recognize the distinction between its' presence, and it's lack.
    So you are going to be all turned on by the gay guys in your unit?
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And I have never said that there would be no problems. I am a realist too and realize that there is little chance that the repeal will happen without any hitches. What I don't believe is that there will be any significant problems. It is possible, but I would bet that any serious issue would be due to a person not being happy with having to work with gays, not from the gay person themself.

    And individuals should be treated as individuals. Even if there are cases of sexual harassment from gays, those should not determine how all gays are treated, because I am certain the vast majority of gays are not going to sexually harass anyone, just like the vast majority of straights do not sexually harass anyone else.

    I made that comment because some people like to equate the problems caused in mixed gender units (units with men and women) to the problems that might arise from units having gays in them. There are no mixed gender combat units in the US military. There are gay men in our combat units. But there is a big difference between women and gay men and how men treat women as compared to how men treat other men, even gay men.
    I believe the VAST majority are already known and do their jobs well. Ive known straight soldiers to get a brain duster over overt comments made about another soldier that was gay but a hellasoldier. Thats the drill and I dont expect that will change. There WILL however be problems and those problems MAY impact the mission and readiness. I dont care too much about the problems when it occurs at Bragg or Carson. I DO care TREMENDOUSLY when it occurs at an FOL and peoples lives depend on unit cohesion.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So you are going to be all turned on by the gay guys in your unit?
    no. but the intimacy with which I can interact with them is decreased by the presence of sexual tension. A barrier has been thrown up where previously there was none.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I believe the VAST majority are already known and do their jobs well. Ive known straight soldiers to get a brain duster over overt comments made about another soldier that was gay but a hellasoldier. Thats the drill and I dont expect that will change. There WILL however be problems and those problems MAY impact the mission and readiness. I dont care too much about the problems when it occurs at Bragg or Carson. I DO care TREMENDOUSLY when it occurs at an FOL and peoples lives depend on unit cohesion.
    pretty much this.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    no. but the intimacy with which I can interact with them is decreased by the presence of sexual tension. A barrier has been thrown up where previously there was none.
    So all the gay guys are going to be turned on by you then? And you can't handle stuff that most civilians can handle?
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you are overestimating that difference because you are discounting the continued presence of sexual tension. since you have never been part of an all-male unit, you don't recognize the distinction between its' presence, and it's lack.
    No I haven't.

    But I have known men who were apart of combat units who had zero issues with serving with gay men in their units, including my husband. Many of the guys in my brother's unit knew he was a crossdresser in his offtime, no one who knew cared.

    What I know is that there should not be such a huge issue of sexual tension because the numbers alone say that there won't be nearly as much chance of mutual attraction as there is in mixed gender units. Once those who afraid of being hit on by the gays understand that the vast majority of gays will not hit on them, then most of the sexual tension will dissipate because they will realize that it is unlikely to happen and even if it does happen, there are rules in place to deal with it appropriately. There might be some issues. But those issues, in all likelihood, are not going to be anything significant, especially not likely to cause death.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    So all the gay guys are going to be turned on by you then? And you can't handle stuff that most civilians can handle?
    Which is precisely why they should put men and women in the same quarters. I mean...come on...its not like all the men are going to be turned on by all the women. Or does sexual attraction and proclivities ONLY apply when we are trying to minimize concerns over openly gay soldiers quartering with other men?

    Such stupid rhetoric...geezus...

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I believe the VAST majority are already known and do their jobs well. Ive known straight soldiers to get a brain duster over overt comments made about another soldier that was gay but a hellasoldier. Thats the drill and I dont expect that will change. There WILL however be problems and those problems MAY impact the mission and readiness. I dont care too much about the problems when it occurs at Bragg or Carson. I DO care TREMENDOUSLY when it occurs at an FOL and peoples lives depend on unit cohesion.
    And if something happens because a person could not control himself long enough to do his job, then I blame that person, whether he is gay or straight. It has nothing to do with this policy or the repeal, and everything to do with a soldier's own inability to act professionally and do his job, no matter what his personal feelings are.
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