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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

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    Well then telling you to shut the **** up and mind your own business will probably only be satisfying to me but have zero impact on you. However...you embody the problem...far too many people with zero investment in either the environment or potential problems. Go back to the mall...and dont worry...we will continue to do the job you find too icky and nasty and beneath you.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

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    I didn't ask you to defend me. So don't expect a thanks.
    You cant even begin to imagine how little I care about your 'thanks'. However I DO truly hope that in your unrealistic world where there are no guns and **** smells like daisies and the sky is never cloudy but there are always rainbows, that you NEVER (and I mean that sincerely) have to confront someone that will do you harm. I promise you...their **** stinks. And in that moment...so will your world.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    interesting. so, fleeing the slaves? you would have been against that?

    in terms of difficulties with nations dialogue should be used.... okay, and what about when our "difficulties" are "they want to kill us and take our stuff"?
    I am guessing that you are saying freeing the slaves.
    Does this have anything to do with the current state of military? Does it have anything to do with misuse of forces? Slavery ended in many nations with no war.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    I think guns should be gotten rid of. I think in terms of difficulties with nations dialogue should be used. I see no way to justify the military industrial complex.
    When people are willing to fly planes into buildings killing thousands of innocent people there is a need for decisive brutal violent action.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    You want the truth?!?
    The funny part is people see Col Jesseps monologue as an INDICTMENT on the system and not an absolute undeniable fact that most people can and will never understand.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    I am guessing that you are saying freeing the slaves.
    mis type.

    Does this have anything to do with the current state of military? Does it have anything to do with misuse of forces? Slavery ended in many nations with no war.
    not here. and not internationally, either. the British Royal Navy ended much of the African slave trade, and they did it by hunting down and killing slavers.


    so my question stands. if you are against all military action irrespective - does this mean that you would have been willing to leave blacks in slavery, the chinese being exterminated, jews in concentration camps.... all because you would have considered those to be superior alternatives to military action?

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    When people are willing to fly planes into buildings killing thousands of innocent people there is a need for decisive brutal violent action.

    no, no, no; they're just angry because we don't have gay pride parades on military bases, and we just need to dialogue with them better.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Rogue...let me point out a glaring fact...I am a realist. I grew up in a Navy environment, spent 20 years AD, and still work with the Dept of the Army. I have CONSISTENTLY stated that this was GOING to happen, that there would be some problems, and eventually the force would adapt. Always has...always will. In every thread people lose their ****ing MINDS when you actually present an argument that there will be some problems with the repeal of DADT...primarily because they are so desperate to see their pet cause be made mandate that they deny any potential possible problem. If you dare to be honest, realistic, and suggest otherwise they do their normal shrill "OMG YOU ARE A HOMOPHOBE!!!" routine. Its pathetic.

    And seriously...did you really just say "problems due just to homosexuals, not to mixed gender groups"? What environment do you anticipate there NOT being mixed groups???
    And I have never said that there would be no problems. I am a realist too and realize that there is little chance that the repeal will happen without any hitches. What I don't believe is that there will be any significant problems. It is possible, but I would bet that any serious issue would be due to a person not being happy with having to work with gays, not from the gay person themself.

    And individuals should be treated as individuals. Even if there are cases of sexual harassment from gays, those should not determine how all gays are treated, because I am certain the vast majority of gays are not going to sexually harass anyone, just like the vast majority of straights do not sexually harass anyone else.

    I made that comment because some people like to equate the problems caused in mixed gender units (units with men and women) to the problems that might arise from units having gays in them. There are no mixed gender combat units in the US military. There are gay men in our combat units. But there is a big difference between women and gay men and how men treat women as compared to how men treat other men, even gay men.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    The funny part is people see Col Jesseps monologue as an INDICTMENT on the system and not an absolute undeniable fact that most people can and will never understand.

    truth.


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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Gee! The Dutch government? Whatelse are they going to say??

    Two facts are certain; 1) That unit fell apart in the face of the enemy and 2) The Dutch Army allows gays to serve openly.
    Do you even know how poor this argument is?
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