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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    They are entirely unharmed.

    except for the loss in unit cohesion and ability to function as a single unit - which results in lower combat efficiency - which results in increased casualties.


    the grunts do not operate like your little boat, where all that is important is that you do your technical job.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, no, because the questions didn't all ask about what would happen assuming DADT was repealed. In fact, some of the questions asked about whether a person served with anyone they knew was gay and how it affected the work environment.

    I know personally of about 800 personnel who could honestly answer that question at the very least, "there was no significant affect". My department had at least a dozen openly gay personnel, men and women, during the 4 1/2 years aboard the ship. Everyone knew they were gay, no one cared. There were none of the problems that everyone is afraid of, like people getting beat up for being gay or a lot of same sex sexual harassment claims (although my berthing did get accused of being gay because the berthing under us felt "harassed" by us treating the other girls in our berthing like sisters instead of like backstabbing witches) or even issue of discrimination due to sexuality. Everyone in my department accepted that we needed everyone to stand watch and being stupid about someone being gay made a person look like a toad.

    There probably will be some minor problems and it is even possible that there could be a very few major incidents, but they should not be significant and they will be caused by someone not following rules already in place, not from someone just being homosexual. The best way to minimize these and ensure the repeal goes on with as few issues as possible is to ensure the chain of command stresses to their men and women that harassment of any kind, no matter someone's sexuality is not acceptable. Everyone in the military is there to do their job and everyone should be treated fairly (in regards to policy) and with respect.
    it's so sad that you hate members of the Army and Marine Corps so much that you want them killed off. We expect better than such vile bigotry from our Navy brethren.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    it's so sad that you hate members of the Army and Marine Corps so much that you want them killed off. We expect better than such vile bigotry from our Navy brethren.


    oh - wait - i'm sorry. did that reply not have a damn thing to do with your post, and was instead merely making an excuse to hurl a stupid accusation of bigotry that was in no way demonstrated by the facts at hand???

    my bad

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Actually, no, because the questions didn't all ask about what would happen assuming DADT was repealed. In fact, some of the questions asked about whether a person served with anyone they knew was gay and how it affected the work environment.

    I know personally of about 800 personnel who could honestly answer that question at the very least, "there was no significant affect". My department had at least a dozen openly gay personnel, men and women, during the 4 1/2 years aboard the ship. Everyone knew they were gay, no one cared. There were none of the problems that everyone is afraid of, like people getting beat up for being gay or a lot of same sex sexual harassment claims (although my berthing did get accused of being gay because the berthing under us felt "harassed" by us treating the other girls in our berthing like sisters instead of like backstabbing witches) or even issue of discrimination due to sexuality. Everyone in my department accepted that we needed everyone to stand watch and being stupid about someone being gay made a person look like a toad.

    There probably will be some minor problems and it is even possible that there could be a very few major incidents, but they should not be significant and they will be caused by someone not following rules already in place, not from someone just being homosexual. The best way to minimize these and ensure the repeal goes on with as few issues as possible is to ensure the chain of command stresses to their men and women that harassment of any kind, no matter someone's sexuality is not acceptable. Everyone in the military is there to do their job and everyone should be treated fairly (in regards to policy) and with respect.
    There are 'minor' problems NOW. Anyone that thinks there wont be is either an idiot or blinded by their political bent. I dont think too many are idiots.

    I have given this breifing to several people. I tell people the same thing today that I have told them for years. If/When it occurs you have one opportunity every four years to voice your disapproval. Dont like it...get out. Reenlist? Then shut up and color.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    so no. ya'll aren't actually reading what we are writing. and the fact that roguenuke and kal'stang "like" this indicates that they aren't either.

    ya'll aren't interested in discussing this topic at all it seems; only in smearing any who disagree with you.
    I would much rather have a professional homosexual defending this country than someone who is willing to discriminate against others just so he can feel slightly more comfortable.

    I expect the same standards of everyone. Do your job and don't let your personal life interfere with doing that job. Just being homosexual, in and of itself, does not interfere with a person doing their job. If someone feels "uncomfortable" living with a homosexual, then that is their personal beliefs interfering with the job, not the homosexual.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    except for the loss in unit cohesion and ability to function as a single unit - which results in lower combat efficiency - which results in increased casualties.


    the grunts do not operate like your little boat, where all that is important is that you do your technical job.
    The loss of unit cohesion that has not happened, and that research into other countries making this change shows to be minimal at most, and that the studies done on potential problems done in this country believe will be minimal at best? Is that the unit cohesion you are talking about, with your claims based on nothing other than what you want to be true?
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    There are 'minor' problems NOW. Anyone that thinks there wont be is either an idiot or blinded by their political bent. I dont think too many are idiots.

    I have given this breifing to several people. I tell people the same thing today that I have told them for years. If/When it occurs you have one opportunity every four years to voice your disapproval. Dont like it...get out. Reenlist? Then shut up and color.
    If the "minor problems" already exist, then why are we arguing about this? And exactly what are those "minor problems"? I am looking for problems due just to homosexuals, not to mixed gender groups. Also, if we know there are problems, then we should be addressing exactly why those things are happening and look to minimize them. My guess is that you are talking about some discrimination against homosexuals or possibly some harassment.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Part of that signing up is the ability to follow orders and maintain discipline. If a particular person is so terrified of homosexuals that they are unable to do this, then they shouldn't be serving.

    We aren't Saudi Arabia. We're America. As an American I expect better of our police and military personnel. And of my fellow Americans. Saudia Arabia is not the measuring stick we should be using. America should be the measuring stick that all other nations use.
    If gays can't enlist and keep their private life to themselves, then they have no business serving.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    That gays had anything to do with it.
    Who says? The Dutch Army? The Dutch government?

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If gays can't enlist and keep their private life to themselves, then they have no business serving.
    Why is this gay only? Straits are not expected to keep their private life to themselves.
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