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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Which means that you are for allowing our troops to continue to discriminate against people just because they might be more "stressed out" by paperwork if they can't do so?
    discrimination here factors not one way or the other in my assessment. the mission of the Rifle Squad is to locate, close with, and destroy the enemy through fire and maneuver and repel his assault through fire and close combat. that is the standard that I measure by - does this help, or hurt, the ability of the rifle squad to perform it's mission. my claim on paperwork is merely to point out that your claim that repealing DADT would reduce it is exceedingly unlikely to be correct.

    On top of that, there is going to be a much bigger stigma to begin with within the combat units to not sexually harass a guy that a gay guy might work with since it is likely that the troops will take care of such actions themselves. I can't imagine any grunt that would not react aggressively to being hit on by someone in their own unit.
    alright, now. think about what that means for discipline and unit cohesion.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    That again is an asinine statement.
    no, it is merely an accurate depiction of the social setting you are creating.

    Are you so afraid of gays that you think they are going to want you if you drop your drawers. That is just a childish attitude.
    are you so afraid that the guys on the board here will want you if you post naked pictures? why do you persist in such a childish attitude?

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    Your first statement here is dead wrong. If you support a bigoted attitude which you do you yourself are a bigot. If you defend someones right to be bigoted you are a bigot
    this is incorrect. the ACLU, for example, defends racists, nazis, the westboro baptist folks, etc. alike. The Supreme Court and the Constitution does so as well.

    You want to pretend to be open minded about gays but yet you defend a bigoted attitude. Like I said you need to pick a side and stand on it.
    i don't have to pretend anything. opposing the repeal of DADT because it would have a deleterious effect on combat readiness is not the equivalent of bigotry, however much you wish to pretend that it is.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    discrimination here factors not one way or the other in my assessment. the mission of the Rifle Squad is to locate, close with, and destroy the enemy through fire and maneuver and repel his assault through fire and close combat. that is the standard that I measure by - does this help, or hurt, the ability of the rifle squad to perform it's mission. my claim on paperwork is merely to point out that your claim that repealing DADT would reduce it is exceedingly unlikely to be correct.
    I didn't say that it "reduce it". I said it might be balanced out. Most likely it will be a slight, unnoticeable difference, unless people start acting stupid and falsely reporting incidents just to get people in trouble.

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    alright, now. think about what that means for discipline and unit cohesion.
    Nothing more than it would now or before the repeal was even voted for. That could happen now. And the repeal of DADT will make it no more likely for cases of sexual harassment or assault than has always existed, especially by gays.

    You seem to be of the belief that just because gay men can serve openly, that they will start hitting on the straight guys in their unit. This is not likely to happen, because there are still some social stigmas in place to keep most of the gay men, especially within combat units virtually "in the closet" just for safety and/or comfort reasons.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    I didn't say that it "reduce it". I said it might be balanced out. Most likely it will be a slight, unnoticeable difference, unless people start acting stupid and falsely reporting incidents just to get people in trouble.
    or we have to deal with the paperwork side that comes with all of the sexual and discipline issues that we already see in the mixed-gender units.

    Nothing more than it would now or before the repeal was even voted for.
    you just said that the response would be aggressive. are you honestly going to tell me that that kind of a history won't negatively impact a units' later performance?

    That could happen now. And the repeal of DADT will make it no more likely for cases of sexual harassment or assault than has always existed, especially by gays.
    given that the only change that could be introduced now would be in a positive direction, i find this exceedingly unlikely.

    You seem to be of the belief that just because gay men can serve openly, that they will start hitting on the straight guys in their unit
    not at all (although the law of numbers says that will happen - certainly our straight males hit on females that aren't interested all the time). i am of the belief that if a gay man is serving openly, that means the other male members of the unit will know he is gay, and that will reduce intimacy and cohesion.

    This is not likely to happen, because there are still some social stigmas in place to keep most of the gay men, especially within combat units virtually "in the closet" just for safety and/or comfort reasons.
    well it will be better for the units if they do so. but if you are willing to admit this, then why not have come clean with that at the beginning?
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    post naked pictures of yourself on the internet. right here, right now. in your response to this post.

    what? you don't want to do that?

    why don't you want to expose yourself in front of a mixed audience? are you a bigot?
    Will, it appears your cheese done slid clear off your cracker. You really think a military shower is comparable to posting one's .... seriously, I can't even dignify that thought with a re-type.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Will, it appears your cheese done slid clear off your cracker. You really think a military shower is comparable to posting one's .... seriously, I can't even dignify that thought with a re-type.
    why betty? why wouldn't you expose yourself in front of a mixed audience? would it be better if that audience instead was generally made up solely of 18-22 year old males?

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    why betty? why wouldn't you expose yourself in front of a mixed audience? would it be better if that audience instead was 18-22 year old males?
    Well, since you edited out my quote, I don't feel the need to answer you.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    what? i quoted your post in full.


    but the question stands. if you yourself would feel awkward exposing yourself to a mixed audience, why do people demand that the only reason people in the military could feel the same way is because they must be bigoted?

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