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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    If it adds stress than the mindless idiots that are stressed certainly do not belong in the military.
    bigotry is actually the least of my worries with regards to this issue. You will get some, but it won't be the driver of the increased stress on combat units that comes from the introduction of sexual tension.

    Those that believe that it will add stress and want to support that fact and would defend bigots that are stressed by gays make the same statement about themselves.
    this is incorrect. those who point out that it will increase stress aren't bigots - they are realistically appraising the results of introducing sexual and social tension into a group that needs to be tightly and intimately knit in order to function well.

    I don't get stressed by straight people. Why would a straight person that isn't a bigot get stressed by gays?
    as a single example....

    post naked pictures of yourself on the internet. right here, right now. in your response to this post.

    what? you don't want to do that?

    why don't you want to expose yourself in front of a mixed audience? are you a bigot?

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    The bold would seem to say that you support bigoted behavior
    only if one is an idiot and/or lacks reading comprehension.

    and you would rather defend bigots right to stay in the military than gays. You really need to decide what side of the fence you stand on.
    that's easy. I stand with the grunts - who have to go out and do a difficult and dangerous job and don't need politicians grandstanding on their ability to make it tougher.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The military is always stressed. Always.
    which doesn't mean that increasing that stress will not have impact.

    This will have basically zero impact however on those manifestations of stress you list. The idea that 1 in 20 soldiers around them might be gay is not going to cause PTSD, nor suicides
    no, what it will do is reduce unit cohesion and create a whole new bevy of problems for the units that can least afford them. up until this point combat units had been somewhat protected by the fact that they were all-male units - and thus didn't have to deal with the problems that women servicemembers bring with them as regards the natural effects of the introduction of sexual tension. now, we are stripping that from them. these units are already dealing with enough problems and now we are dumping another in their laps if you think it's worth the price they will pay in blood so be it - we are a society that deliberately places the military subordinate to politics, and believes fundamentally in fair play - but let's be upfront about the price they will pay.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Why, indeed.

    as soon as you begin advocating forcing female servicemembers to strip down in front of the males, let me know.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    bigotry is actually the least of my worries with regards to this issue. You will get some, but it won't be the driver of the increased stress on combat units that comes from the introduction of sexual tension.



    this is incorrect. those who point out that it will increase stress aren't bigots - they are realistically appraising the results of introducing sexual and social tension into a group that needs to be tightly and intimately knit in order to function well.



    as a single example....

    post naked pictures of yourself on the internet. right here, right now. in your response to this post.

    what? you don't want to do that?

    why don't you want to expose yourself in front of a mixed audience? are you a bigot?
    You you supported bigoted attitudes it is reflective of your own attitude. I ask again why does serving with a gay add stress for a heterosexual? If that is a problem for that person perhaps they should seek help for their problem.
    Your little tidbit about posting naked pictures on line make zero sense.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    many, many, many, many more than are ever prosecuted for it.

    the claim that repealing DADT will reduce administrative backlogs strikes me as..... well, frankly, ridiculous.
    Which means that you are for allowing our troops to continue to discriminate against people just because they might be more "stressed out" by paperwork if they can't do so? That is ridiculous.

    I asked specifically for numbers for a reason. Many, many, many more could be any amount.

    Here I'll help you out a little.

    It is estimated that about 66000 gays serving in our armed forces. Only about 13000 of those are estimated to be serving on active duty. That is a small amount of gays and most probably work in support units, not combat units. It is unlikely that that number is distributed evenly amongst the services and also does not take into account those that are women, but even if we just assume that 2% of those are going to sexually harass someone else, that is only a total of 260 cases of sexual harassment due to homosexuals throughout the entire active duty force, not just the combat units. Even if we said that it was 5% would harass someone, that is only 650 cases total. And that doesn't mean that everyone of those cases will be reported.

    Military sexual harassment data released - US news - Military - msnbc.com

    On top of that, there is going to be a much bigger stigma to begin with within the combat units to not sexually harass a guy that a gay guy might work with since it is likely that the troops will take care of such actions themselves. I can't imagine any grunt that would not react aggressively to being hit on by someone in their own unit.

    Federal Eye - Eye Opener: Estimate: 66,000 gays in the military
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    only if one is an idiot and/or lacks reading comprehension.



    that's easy. I stand with the grunts - who have to go out and do a difficult and dangerous job and don't need politicians grandstanding on their ability to make it tougher.
    Your first statement here is dead wrong. If you support a bigoted attitude which you do you yourself are a bigot. If you defend someones right to be bigoted you are a bigot. So the comprehension problem is in your court. You want to pretend to be open minded about gays but yet you defend a bigoted attitude. Like I said you need to pick a side and stand on it.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    as soon as you begin advocating forcing female servicemembers to strip down in front of the males, let me know.
    That again is an asinine statement.
    Are you so afraid of gays that you think they are going to want you if you drop your drawers. That is just a childish attitude.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    as soon as you begin advocating forcing female servicemembers to strip down in front of the males, let me know.
    As for this, I have changed with males before. I have no problem asking for this, especially if it would help our military. I don't think it would, but I could be wrong. There are times when having men and women live together and/or be naked together would actually be efficient, especially if everyone understood that it was necessary to keep costs low or accomodate space restrictions. And the vast majority of the time a person can avoid being naked in front of others and seeing others naked, even in a combat zone.

    I don't believe that women and men being naked in front of each other though is the same thing as gay men being naked in front of straight men, because this happens now and we don't have nearly as many problems with same sex sexual harassment and assault that we do with opposite sex sexual harassment and assault. It is a cultural thing. We have separate bathrooms for men and women in society, but we do not have separate bathrooms for gays and straights.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by katiegrrl0 View Post
    You you supported bigoted attitudes it is reflective of your own attitude. I ask again why does serving with a gay add stress for a heterosexual?
    still waiting on you to post those naked pictures

    Your little tidbit about posting naked pictures on line make zero sense.
    not at all. this is what - after all - you are demanding that male members of the military be willing to do.

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