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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    What a surprise... no one is batting an eyelash. Could it be that following protocol and dedication to the service mean more to those enlisted than these social squabbles?

    The reaction in the U.S. military is the same as in every other western nation that allows gays to serve openly: absolutely nothing.
    Too bad they have to deal with this stupid ****, along with everything else they have on their plate.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Too bad they have to deal with this stupid ****, along with everything else they have on their plate.
    It is stupid to fight it. Frankly, once done, it's over. No more stupid ****.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Boo Radley View Post
    It is stupid to fight it. Frankly, once done, it's over. No more stupid ****.
    It'll never be, "over". Now soldiers, along with everything else, have to be sensitive to yet another group of oppressed persons.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It'll never be, "over". Now soldiers, along with everything else, have to be sensitive to yet another group of oppressed persons.
    Sensitive how? As in they won't be able to discriminate against them and claim that the gays are a problem to the military just because they are gay, even if they are in no way disrupting any actual cohesion or ability of the unit.

    All the rules that apply to everyone else, still apply to gays. They still cannot fraternize or commit adultery or sexually harass anyone. They still have to follow orders and maintain proper military bearing. It isn't any of your business what they do in their offtime, as long as it isn't illegal or it doesn't reflect badly upon the military. And military members haven't been able to discriminate against people based on their sexuality, technically, for a while now, with the exception being DADT policy.

    The only real change is that a person cannot be discharged for revealing their sexuality, either intentionally or unintentionally.
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Sensitive how? As in they won't be able to discriminate against them and claim that the gays are a problem to the military just because they are gay, even if they are in no way disrupting any actual cohesion or ability of the unit.

    All the rules that apply to everyone else, still apply to gays. They still cannot fraternize or commit adultery or sexually harass anyone. They still have to follow orders and maintain proper military bearing. It isn't any of your business what they do in their offtime, as long as it isn't illegal or it doesn't reflect badly upon the military. And military members haven't been able to discriminate against people based on their sexuality, technically, for a while now, with the exception being DADT policy.

    The only real change is that a person cannot be discharged for revealing their sexuality, either intentionally or unintentionally.
    It will mean even more cases of sexual harassment and discrimination for unit commanders to deal with, taking time away from training and threatening unit cohesion.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It will mean even more cases of sexual harassment and discrimination for unit commanders to deal with, taking time away from training and threatening unit cohesion.
    Maybe, but not likely to be a huge amount more and it could be balanced out from not having to deal with as many cases of investigating claims of homosexuality and/or taking the time to actually put someone out for admitting homosexuality.

    The 2 guys I know who were involuntarily DADT discharged fought hard and were fought hard for by our chain of command to keep them in. It took several boards for the Navy to finally make the decision that their sexuality mattered more than the fact that nukes are severely undermanned and needed every qualified person we could get to stand watch. Everyone knew they were homosexual, no one in our department cared one bit. And we had lots of guys and girls who were openly homosexual. We had zero cases of sexual harassment from homosexuals in the 4 1/2 years I was aboard ship.

    I have lived with openly homosexual people in a military environment. They are no more likely to sexually harass someone than a heterosexual is, and in some cases, even less so, just due to the stigma that would come from a guy hitting on another guy who wasn't gay. And their small numbers would mean that any increase in sexual harassment cases should be insignificant, unless you want to provide some hard data to support your claim that "sexual harassment cases will increase".
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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Too bad they have to deal with this stupid ****, along with everything else they have on their plate.
    You call this a counter argument?

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Maybe, but not likely to be a huge amount more and it could be balanced out from not having to deal with as many cases of investigating claims of homosexuality and/or taking the time to actually put someone out for admitting homosexuality.

    The 2 guys I know who were involuntarily DADT discharged fought hard and were fought hard for by our chain of command to keep them in. It took several boards for the Navy to finally make the decision that their sexuality mattered more than the fact that nukes are severely undermanned and needed every qualified person we could get to stand watch. Everyone knew they were homosexual, no one in our department cared one bit. And we had lots of guys and girls who were openly homosexual. We had zero cases of sexual harassment from homosexuals in the 4 1/2 years I was aboard ship.

    I have lived with openly homosexual people in a military environment. They are no more likely to sexually harass someone than a heterosexual is, and in some cases, even less so, just due to the stigma that would come from a guy hitting on another guy who wasn't gay. And their small numbers would mean that any increase in sexual harassment cases should be insignificant, unless you want to provide some hard data to support your claim that "sexual harassment cases will increase".
    But, there will be more and that will take away from training time that is already cut into by administrative bull****.

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    You call this a counter argument?
    When you were in the service, did you have time to spare to deal with more dumbass legal cases?

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    Re: Officials: Half of force trained on gay ban repeal

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Too bad they have to deal with this stupid ****, along with everything else they have on their plate.
    really. like there was nothing else going on right now so it was the perfect time to do this.

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