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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    It seems he has broken the rules regarding original US involvement and the situation might be iffy on the rest, depending on the legal interpretation.

    War Powers Resolution of 1973
    Such sixty-day period shall be extended for not more than an additional thirty days if the President determines and certifies to the Congress in writing that unavoidable military necessity respecting the safety of United States Armed Forces requires the continued use of such armed forces in the course of bringing about a prompt removal of such forces.
    He must prove that the safety of USAForces require the continued use of drones in the course of bringing about a prompt removal of the drones. As the US is obligated to support NATO via treaty... what are the options. He'll withdraw the drones before 90 days and then get funding to support the NATO operation, re-deploying them.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Agreed. However, I'm not aware of any U.S. combat operations currently taking place in the Libyan theater of operations.

    I don't agree that U.S. units filling a logistical support role can be considered, "combat operations".

    Now, for the sake of clarity, I don't think we should be wasting time and money in Libya, however I don't think that O'Bama is breaking the law.
    Who's wasting time. USA is helping steal a little OIL and gets an IOU from UK and EURO nations and strengthens those same reserve banks. It always has a little something to do with banks, don't you think? Centralized Distribution - of OIL - of Money - etc.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Of course they are rolling out the big guns.

    Gotta protect the oil supply.

    It's the only reason why we go to war anymore.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't think the Brits have UH-64's. As far as I know, only Egypt, Israel and The Netherlands have them.
    Try again:

    AgustaWestland Apache - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Really dude, are you so lazy you can't even google before posting?
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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    He must prove that the safety of USAForces require the continued use of drones in the course of bringing about a prompt removal of the drones. As the US is obligated to support NATO via treaty... what are the options. He'll withdraw the drones before 90 days and then get funding to support the NATO operation, re-deploying them.
    It seems to me that US law and the Constitution should take precedence over any NATO actions. Not all NATO countries are involved and they are not being criticized for withholding their support.

    The US, as the WPR states is necessary, was under no threat from Libya whatsoever. I'm not certain but I believe this is the first time important provisions of the WPR have largely ignored, and it sets quite a dangerous precedent.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    Of course they are rolling out the big guns.

    Gotta protect the oil supply.

    It's the only reason why we go to war anymore.
    If it really is 'all about oil' let's just hit all the ME oil producing countries and take it.

    In fact I'd be disappointed if it wasn't all about oil. At least there would then be an excuse.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's only war, if we're actually engaging the enemy with combat units. So far, I haven't seen anything of the sort.
    So we were wrong in WW2 to consider Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor an act of war because they didn’t put any boots on the ground?

    Please point to the law or court ruling or anything that so narrowly defines war using your definition. I would love to know upon what basis you reach such conclusions.



    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Stop with the hypocritical partisan hackery and come back with more facts, as to which units are operating in the area of operations and what their mission is.
    Don’t attempt to lecture me on partisan hackery while you are acting like a Republican tool apdst, my allegiance is to the US Constitution and I can back my talk up with articles therein, SCOTUS rulings and quotes from the elected officials you seem to have sold you soul to.

    Let me offer the sinking of the USS Main (Spanish-American War), privateer attacks on U.S. shipping (Franco-American War), bombing of Pearl Harbor (World War II) and attacks on US destroyers in the Tonkin Gulf (Vietnam War) as examples that contradict your position and support mine. These are examples of what the US has considered acts of war even though they didn’t involve boots on the ground.

    To answer your question, the USS Kearsarge, USS Enterprise, USS Barry, USS Ponce, USS Stout, USS Providence, USS Scranton, USS Florida, USS Mount Whitney, USAF 48th Fighter Wing among many others are conducting attacks on Libya in the area of operations.
    Last edited by GPS_Flex; 06-05-11 at 06:43 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    So we were wrong in WW2 to consider Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor an act of war because they didnít put any boots on the ground?

    Please point to the law or court ruling or anything that so narrowly defines war using your definition. I would love to know upon what basis you reach such conclusions.



    Donít attempt to lecture me on partisan hackery while you are acting like a Republican tool apdst, my allegiance is to the US Constitution and I can back my talk up with articles therein, SCOTUS rulings and quotes from the elected officials you seem to have sold you soul to.

    Let me offer the sinking of the USS Main (Spanish-American War), privateer attacks on U.S. shipping (Franco-American War), bombing of Pearl Harbor (World War II) and attacks on US destroyers in the Tonkin Gulf (Vietnam War) as examples that contradict your position and support mine. These are examples of what the US has considered acts of war even though they didnít involve boots on the ground.

    To answer your question, the USS Kearsarge, USS Enterprise, USS Barry, USS Ponce, USS Stout, USS Providence, USS Scranton, USS Florida, USS Mount Whitney, USAF 48th Fighter Wing among many others are conducting attacks on Libya in the area of operations.
    <sarcasm on> Yes, but are you sure its not just another Obama kinetic military action ? <sarcasm off>

    Back in the day, "Kinetic" was just a state next to Rhode Island that ESPN called home.
    Last edited by Eighty Deuce; 06-05-11 at 07:31 PM.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    Apples and oranges.

    Bush said Iraq had WMD, but Hans Blix went in and inspected and found NONE. Powell went to the UN, said Iraq had WMD, but Powell lied like the rest of the Bush admin. The problem with Iraq was not that we invaded, it was that we invaded under false pretense. Cheney irroneously tried to make the case that Iraq was linked to 9/11, but the 9/11 commission found "no collaborative relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda".


    Ex-Press Aide Writes That Bush Misled U.S. on Iraq - washingtonpost.com

    That condemnation form Bush's own longtime friend, who could not stand the lies any longer.

    On Libya, there was an uprising going on, that is not a lie. The US chose to support it, and to involve NATO in support of the rebels. You will note, those are NATO attack helicopters, not US.
    You can pretend not to be a liberal but your attitude gives you away. Try to get the facts right. Saddam Hussein said he tried to make the world believe that he has WMDs to keep Iran from attacking.

    That means President Bush and most of the World at the time thought he had them. Most Liberals as I have said again, and again can't deal in facts and the truth.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    <sarcasm on> Yes, but are you sure its not just another Obama kinetic military action ? <sarcasm off>

    Back in the day, "Kinetic" was just a state next to Rhode Island that ESPN called home.
    Yes, his “kinetic military action” is a simple rearranging of the structural mass of buildings, equipment and people belonging to or loyal to a dictator who “must go”.

    It's like when he said he wanted to raise taxes but called it "reduce spending in the tax code".
    Last edited by GPS_Flex; 06-05-11 at 07:55 PM. Reason: added thought.

    "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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