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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    BEIRUT, Lebanon — Syrian forces killed at least 63 civilians in attacks to crush pro-democracy demonstrations on Friday, the Syrian human rights organization Sawasiah said on Saturday. Sawasiah said 53 demonstrators were killed in the city of Hama, one in Damascus and two in the northwestern province of Idlib.
    Seven people were also killed in the town of Rastan in central Syria, which has been under a military assault and a siege by tanks since Sunday.


    Outrage I tellya...this just goes against American morality and values, and an American president CANNOT not respond...

    well...
    Right. This thing with Libya doesn't make sense.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

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    And that's relevant to my post how? Or are you just hoping I won't notice you don't actually have a rebuttal? Whoops.
    If you did make a point it certainly wasn't obvious. Are you claiming that the US is not involved in the attacks on Libya? Or only a little bit?



    Well it has come out that the CIA does have assets on the ground. But that's not the same as the US military. And honestly, the CIA has assets on the ground everywhere. After all, that is their job.
    "Boots on the ground" was the term used and it was a lie.
    Well, I would accept that the US isn't doing much simply because we don't have the money for it. The GOP is finally finding their closet fiscal conservatism after a decade of rampant sailor spending. It's amusing to me how they are now embracing a trait that they systematically purged from their politicians during the Bush years. NATO needed the US for the initial salvo to neutralize defenses. After that they could take over. If the US was really into this, we would have flown the A-10s over months ago. That is the best airframe for this conflict. Excellent close air support and exceptionally hardy.
    Neither breaking the law of the land, or war, is "amusing".

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Dafur should of had international involvement. Clinton even says thats his biggest regret.




    There aren't any American boots on the ground, just sneakers
    That's according to the sneaker in chief.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    The Russians, of all folks, take the words right out of my mouth:

    SINGAPORE Russian Deputy Prime Minister Sergei Ivanov says NATO is "one step" from sending troops into Libya in a bid to help rebels remove Moammar Gadhafi from power.

    Ivanov said Sunday at an Asian security conference in Singapore that Russia didn't know that a United Nations resolution it supported to protect civilians and shut down Libyan air space would lead to a land operation.

    more ; Russia: NATO 'one step' from land war in Libya - Yahoo! News
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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Listening to the usual suspects on these boards it would seem that the US was doing everything in Libya.... now my question is .... what is the US exactly doing there? I know they are providing logistics for NATO and some command and control functions, but as far as I understand US planes are not in the fight any more or rarely at best... not that many bombing raids any more. Is it the cruise missiles the US are using that people are pissed over?

    The attack copters were British and French. Any "advisor's" on the ground are British former SAS working for a private contractor.. aka mercenaries.

    So what exactly is the US doing in the conflict at the moment?
    According to US law, if our forces are operating on foreign soil, airspace, or water, they need Congress's approval within 60 days. They could be launching a blitzkrieg or just doing reconnaissance, but the President is not allowed to act on his own.
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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Any "advisor's" on the ground are British former SAS working for a private contractor.. aka mercenaries.
    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Nope. The British and French (and Italians and others) sent people to Bengazhi to coordinate strikes and aid, but no trainers. Was yesterday or two days ago, that the British media "exposed" the use of former SAS mercenaries as trainers and so on, hired by the MOD...but paid by Gulf states..
    Seems semantics (advisors/trainers) caused the confusion. I thought you were remarking that only mercs were on the ground (I didn't know about the mercs).

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    According to US law, if our forces are operating on foreign soil, airspace, or water, they need Congress's approval within 60 days. They could be launching a blitzkrieg or just doing reconnaissance, but the President is not allowed to act on his own.
    No, they need congressional approval within 60 days or must be withdrawn within 30 days of that deadline. Obama has not exceeded the 30 days to withdraw. He has not broken any rules.
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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    It is war and even Obama called it unconstitutional.
    It's only war, if we're actually engaging the enemy with combat units. So far, I haven't seen anything of the sort. Stop with the hypocritical partisan hackery and come back with more facts, as to which units are operating in the area of operations and what their mission is.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    No, they need congressional approval within 60 days or must be withdrawn within 30 days of that deadline. Obama has not exceeded the 30 days to withdraw. He has not broken any rules.
    It seems he has broken the rules regarding original US involvement and the situation might be iffy on the rest, depending on the legal interpretation.

    War Powers Resolution of 1973

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's only war, if we're actually engaging the enemy with combat units. So far, I haven't seen anything of the sort. Stop with the hypocritical partisan hackery and come back with more facts, as to which units are operating in the area of operations and what their mission is.
    If the United States did to Canada what they are doing in Libya, I feel strongly that we would call it war and not overly care much what the Americans called it.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    If the United States did to Canada what they are doing in Libya, I feel strongly that we would call it war and not overly care much what the Americans called it.
    Agreed. However, I'm not aware of any U.S. combat operations currently taking place in the Libyan theater of operations.

    I don't agree that U.S. units filling a logistical support role can be considered, "combat operations".

    Now, for the sake of clarity, I don't think we should be wasting time and money in Libya, however I don't think that O'Bama is breaking the law.

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