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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    It was reported about a month ago that we had SOF in Libya training anti-Qadaffi forces.
    No, euros did that. IIRC, Brits and French.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Cough

    Libyan Rebels Al Qaeda | U.S. finds no organized Al Qaeda presence in Libya opposition, officials say - Los Angeles Times

    We are in the British? I've only herd of British "advisers" being in Libya.
    Google "Al Qaeda in Libya". For me, it was 30,500,000 hits in 0.07 seconds. More than a few would be contrary to what you linked. However, the key word in your link is "organized". That is rather subjectively put, is it not ?

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Ahhh... "organized" and everyone knows AlQ is not an "organized" group... right? Besides, total number of articles one way or another is the best way to decide the truth.

    With Risky and Eighty, why do I feel like I'm in the ME/CT section.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by xpiher View Post
    Genocide against the Kurds stopped in the 90s in part because of the the No-Fly zone and in part because Saddam ran out of chemical weapons we gave him. If we would have backed the souther Shiite uprising in 1996 (not sure if thats the correct date) while enforcing the not fly zone in the north, Saddam would have been nixed then and would not have had the problems it has today (power vacuum wouldn't of existed).



    Never said the government wasn't. Personally, I think it would have been cheaper to simply help the rebels through funding. There are plenty of mercenary outfits that would have loved to have justified regime change on their portfolio.



    And the realities of the day say that we can't afford to do anymore than what we have or are doing (outside CIA involvement I suppose) for a whole host of reasons.

    But what has Saudi Arabia gov done to its own people lately? All I've herd/read is that its giving money away to try to thwart uprisings.

    "But what has Saudi Arabia gov done to its own people lately?"

    Good point, so just like Libya, why don't we just invade Saudi Arabia and take our oil under their sand. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If we're going to be invading and killing indiscriminately, we should profit handsomely.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Eighty Deuce View Post
    Google "Al Qaeda in Libya". For me, it was 30,500,000 hits in 0.07 seconds. More than a few would be contrary to what you linked. However, the key word in your link is "organized". That is rather subjectively put, is it not ?
    You'd have a point if people weren't trying to say that "Al-Qaeda is an organizing force in Libya" I also linked one of the few articles that actually quotes a legitimate source the CIA.

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    "But what has Saudi Arabia gov done to its own people lately?"

    Good point, so just like Libya, why don't we just invade Saudi Arabia and take our oil under their sand. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If we're going to be invading and killing indiscriminately, we should profit handsomely.
    The Libya regime is actually killing its own people that aren't part of the civil war. Saudi Arabia is giving away money to try and thwart an uprising. How is there any correlation here?
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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    "But what has Saudi Arabia gov done to its own people lately?"

    Good point, so just like Libya, why don't we just invade Saudi Arabia and take our oil under their sand. What's good for the goose is good for the gander. If we're going to be invading and killing indiscriminately, we should profit handsomely.
    It is true that America cannot use our military wherever repression occurs. And given the costs and risks of intervention, we must always measure our interests against the need for action. But that cannot be an argument for never acting on behalf of what’s right. In this particular country – Libya; at this particular moment, we were faced with the prospect of violence on a horrific scale. We had a unique ability to stop that violence: an international mandate for action, a broad coalition prepared to join us, the support of Arab countries, and a plea for help from the Libyan people themselves. We also had the ability to stop Gaddafi’s forces in their tracks without putting American troops on the ground.

    To brush aside America’s responsibility as a leader and – more profoundly – our responsibilities to our fellow human beings under such circumstances would have been a betrayal of who we are. Some nations may be able to turn a blind eye to atrocities in other countries. The United States of America is different. And as President, I refused to wait for the images of slaughter and mass graves before taking action.

    Moreover, America has an important strategic interest in preventing Gaddafi from overrunning those who oppose him...
    Transcript of President Obama's speech on Libya - Washington Times
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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    Wait a minute. We've said plenty. Check out what Hillary has been saying. Let us not slip into the "everything is possible at the same time" fallacy of foreign policy debate.
    I gotcha...our morals and values can only KINDA be offended...and...well..we will be really really sad...in some places.

    So basically its the if you dont do what we want we are going to talk sternly...and then...maybe...hold our breath...that'll show em...foreign policy model.
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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I gotcha...our morals and values can only KINDA be offended...and...well..we will be really really sad...in some places.

    So basically its the if you dont do what we want we are going to talk sternly...and then...maybe...hold our breath...that'll show em...foreign policy model.
    Some we can regime change, some we can engage economically and diplomatically and some we can influence with foreign aid. Some we can only interact with via proxy (nK). We must weigh each intervention and keep priorities in mind. It is willfully childish to pretend that we can end tyranny tomorrow if only our values were true - we simply cannot.
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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Listening to the usual suspects on these boards it would seem that the US was doing everything in Libya.... now my question is .... what is the US exactly doing there? I know they are providing logistics for NATO and some command and control functions, but as far as I understand US planes are not in the fight any more or rarely at best... not that many bombing raids any more. Is it the cruise missiles the US are using that people are pissed over?

    The attack copters were British and French. Any "advisor's" on the ground are British former SAS working for a private contractor.. aka mercenaries.

    So what exactly is the US doing in the conflict at the moment?
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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Mostly drones, maybe a little aircraft. Logistics for humanitarian aid probably, we do most of that around the world.

    Any "advisor's" on the ground are British former SAS working for a private contractor.. aka mercenaries.
    Last I checked, that's not true. The Brits sent people. IIRC, the French were going to also.
    Last edited by ecofarm; 06-04-11 at 04:36 PM.

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