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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    There are no US attack helicopters being utilized here. Take another look. I believe it is just British and French, though the other European NATO powers may have choppers in there as well.

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    How do you know?

    Why does it really matter one way or another?

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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

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    How do you know?

    Why does it really matter one way or another?
    NATO uses helicopters in Libya; British officials visit Benghazi - CNN.com

    "The visit, which included a discussion of the country's possible future, followed helicopter attacks by British and French forces on the regime's military."

    Blasts heard in central Tripoli - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - msnbc.com

    "Earlier, British Apache and French attack helicopters struck targets for the first time in NATO's campaign in Libya, hitting Gadhafi's troops near a key coastal oil city, the alliance said. "

    NATO Choppers Pound Gadhafi - Combat gets up-close and personal after relying on bombers

    "(AP) – British Apache and French attack helicopters struck targets for the first time in NATO's campaign in Libya, hitting Moammar Gadhafi's troops early today near a key coastal oil city"

    AFP: UK defence chief defends use of choppers in Libya

    Ennahar Online - Libya: English and French helicopters in action

    Enough for you? It matters because President Obama kept his promise not to involve us in ground warfare, which chopper usage, IMO, is. Choppers are at risk for attack from the ground. Planes in Libya are not. They do not have the technology to knock down NATO airplanes.
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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    NATO uses helicopters in Libya; British officials visit Benghazi - CNN.com

    "The visit, which included a discussion of the country's possible future, followed helicopter attacks by British and French forces on the regime's military."

    Blasts heard in central Tripoli - World news - Mideast/N. Africa - msnbc.com

    "Earlier, British Apache and French attack helicopters struck targets for the first time in NATO's campaign in Libya, hitting Gadhafi's troops near a key coastal oil city, the alliance said. "

    NATO Choppers Pound Gadhafi - Combat gets up-close and personal after relying on bombers

    "(AP) – British Apache and French attack helicopters struck targets for the first time in NATO's campaign in Libya, hitting Moammar Gadhafi's troops early today near a key coastal oil city"

    AFP: UK defence chief defends use of choppers in Libya

    Ennahar Online - Libya: English and French helicopters in action

    Enough for you? It matters because President Obama kept his promise not to involve us in ground warfare, which chopper usage, IMO, is. Choppers are at risk for attack from the ground. Planes in Libya are not. They do not have the technology to knock down NATO airplanes.
    Got it. News articles that talk US built attack helicopters from other nations being used but don’t do anything to prove US attack helicopters/forces aren’t still attacking targets in Libya.

    Constitution be damned so long as ground troops aren’t involved. US President’s now have the power to wage war without constraint so long as ground troops aren’t involved. Can’t wait till the next republican president levels Venezuela. This are going to be great using these new rules aren’t they?

    Does this include nukes too? Can the president now nuke someone who isn’t doing what they should? The next Prez should nuke Iran, North Korea, Venezuela, Pakistan, Syria, and France. Things will be much easier now that war isn’t war unless there are boots on the ground won’t they?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    GPS, I never said anything about the legality of this operation. I simply told you that US helicopters are not involved in this operation. I have proven that they are not. If you have proof they are, go ahead and show it, otherwise, your comments and this whole thread is bull****.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    GPS, I never said anything about the legality of this operation. I simply told you that US helicopters are not involved in this operation. I have proven that they are not. If you have proof they are, go ahead and show it, otherwise, your comments and this whole thread is bull****.
    You haven't proven squat. Just because foreign helicopters are being used doesn’t eliminate US helicopters or other combat forces from the mix.

    Yes, this whole thread is bull**** but that is because people like you and apdst don’t care if your President violates the Constitution and takes huge steps towards an empirical executive branch. If you did, you would be outraged at both political parties right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Prove that US choppers are involved. I have shown you that the only choppers involved are French & British. If you have any proof US choppers are involved, go ahead and post it, otherwise, admit you're wrong.

    Oh my god. Are you REALLY going to even start with a president violating the constitution and making an "empirical" executive branch? Look at the previous administration. Lying to congress about torture, saying they don't have to answer to the legislative, etc.

    As for this President, like I said, I believe that the war powers act is unconstitutional. No President has ever followed it since its enactment. That includes Reagan, your messiah. As for the constitution, I totally agree with you. I think Presidents should consult congress and a declaration of war should be passed before engaging in any foreign military operation. I do believe what he is doing is not constitutional, same thing with any other President who sent us overseas without a formal declaration of war.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    Prove that US choppers are involved. I have shown you that the only choppers involved are French & British. If you have any proof US choppers are involved, go ahead and post it, otherwise, admit you're wrong.

    Oh my god. Are you REALLY going to even start with a president violating the constitution and making an "empirical" executive branch? Look at the previous administration. Lying to congress about torture, saying they don't have to answer to the legislative, etc.

    As for this President, like I said, I believe that the war powers act is unconstitutional. No President has ever followed it since its enactment. That includes Reagan, your messiah. As for the constitution, I totally agree with you. I think Presidents should consult congress and a declaration of war should be passed before engaging in any foreign military operation. I do believe what he is doing is not constitutional, same thing with any other President who sent us overseas without a formal declaration of war.
    Obama said it himself. An attack such as he conducted on Libya is unconstitutional.

    Don’t act all surprised. He has obviously changed his mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Gargantuan View Post
    sent us overseas without a formal declaration of war.
    So you think the operation killing OBL was unconstitutional? Disaster relief in Haiti, unconstitutional.


    Surely you can see how this "I just love the constitution" is a shallow and insufficient position to take in reality?
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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So you think the operation killing OBL was unconstitutional? Disaster relief in Haiti, unconstitutional.


    Surely you can see how this "I just love the constitution" is a shallow and insufficient position to take in reality?
    No I do not. That was a counter terrorism operation by an elite special operations force. OSS/CIA has been doing things like that since the 40s under every single President. These are not prolonged combat operations involving the deployment of divisions of troops.

    As for disaster relief, that was not sending troops into combat.
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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by ecofarm View Post
    So you think the operation killing OBL was unconstitutional? Disaster relief in Haiti, unconstitutional.


    Surely you can see how this "I just love the constitution" is a shallow and insufficient position to take in reality?
    As it wasn’t an attack on a sovereign nation, but an attack on an enemy at war with the US, I think killing OBL in Pakistan without informing Pakistan was constitutional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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