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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Temporal View Post
    We only need to hit the ME countries that are destabilizing or are blatantly cutting off the oil supply. The rest are contributing their supplies to the OPEC economy. Why would we invade them?

    Iran was on the verge of socializing its oil industry, which is why the CIA helped to overthrow the democratic government of the time.

    Anyone who threatens the oil gets destroyed. It's just that simple. There is no other reason why we are there.
    Don't forget that American bankers also accepted almost all of Libya's sovereign fund before America helped invade them.

    Goldman Sachs Lost 98% of Libya’s $1.3B Sovereign Wealth Fund Investment - Agustino Fontevecchia - Moral Hazard - Forbes
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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by dirtpoorchris View Post
    Don't forget that American bankers also accepted almost all of Libya's sovereign fund before America helped invade them.

    Goldman Sachs Lost 98% of Libya’s $1.3B Sovereign Wealth Fund Investment - Agustino Fontevecchia - Moral Hazard - Forbes
    There were/are a lot of reasons to take Quackdaffi out to be sure.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    There were/are a lot of reasons to take Quackdaffi out to be sure.
    There are many reasons why most dictators should be removed but it should also be made clear why, and the selection and priority process explained.

    Only five NATO countries, less than 20%, are involved in this war, which hardly makes it a NATO exercise or commitment.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    Yes, a combat arm would be a weapon a soldier carries, flies, drives, fires or operates. A support arm is what you might find on an office chair.

    Perhaps you want to know if I understand the difference between a truck carrying supplies for combat troops and the actual combat troops. If you think me ignorant on issues such as combat roles and combat support roles, you will soon be humbled. Feel free to act like a typical Army drone and challenge me however you like. You’ll need to wrap it up tonight though if you want answers because I go back to work in the morning and won’t be available to debate further for at least 2 months.
    Ok, so you don't know the difference between combat arms and support arms. In short, the combat arms are infantry, artillery and armor. Everything else is a support arm.

    Are you trying to make the case that the US’ role in Libya has only been logistical? If so, how do you explain the US F-15 pilot who was shot down in Libya or the US bombs and missiles that took out Libyan air defenses etc.? I just don’t understand your logic here.
    At this point, I believe the U.S. role is logistical and thereby not a violation of the WPA.


    You need to change that political “lean” description from “very conservative” to “republican” because real conservatives have more respect for the Constitution than you are showing while republicans don’t really give a rip about the Constitution. Republicans and Democrats are both just as guilty of tearing up the Constitution when they are in power but Republicans like you are notoriously war mongering thugs who have never seen a war they didn’t like.
    Just because my politics are Conservative doesn't mean that I'm going to chase after an obvious lie. In fact, I'm not going to chase after an obvious lie, because of my Conservative lean.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    There are many reasons why most dictators should be removed but it should also be made clear why, and the selection and priority process explained.

    Only five NATO countries, less than 20%, are involved in this war, which hardly makes it a NATO exercise or commitment.
    The legality of this issue has nothing to do with NATO or the UN. It is really simple actually. The US, its forces, property or allies weren’t attacked or under threat of attack from Libya so it was unconstitutional to attack Libya without Congressional approval.

    The WPR only applies when an attack or eminent threat already exists. It isn’t complicated.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok, so you don't know the difference between combat arms and support arms. In short, the combat arms are infantry, artillery and armor. Everything else is a support arm.
    You crack me up. You must be old as dirt because I know the modern army didn’t teach you this crap. You are Army so I shouldn’t be surprised by your inability to think outside a foxhole should I?

    I see, you think the Army is the only offensive weapon the US has and if it goes boom and the Army didn’t do it, it must be logistical right? This is why we refer to grunts like you as “Aint Real Men Yet”, affectionately of course.



    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    At this point, I believe the U.S. role is logistical and thereby not a violation of the WPA.
    I’m not sure how you can call US missile strikes, air strikes and naval gunfire “logistical support”. Maybe that’s what you called it in your platoon when you were in the Army but in the real world, anything that goes “boom” and blows the enemies’ crap up isn’t “logistical”.




    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Just because my politics are Conservative doesn't mean that I'm going to chase after an obvious lie. In fact, I'm not going to chase after an obvious lie, because of my Conservative lean.
    No comment.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    You crack me up. You must be old as dirt because I know the modern army didn’t teach you this crap. You are Army so I shouldn’t be surprised by your inability to think outside a foxhole should I?

    I see, you think the Army is the only offensive weapon the US has and if it goes boom and the Army didn’t do it, it must be logistical right? This is why we refer to grunts like you as “Aint Real Men Yet”, affectionately of course.
    Well, anyone that doesn't know the difference between combat arms and support arms has zero knowledge of how any military works. The branches of arms have been around for centuries. It's nothing new and it hasn't changed.




    I’m not sure how you can call US missile strikes, air strikes and naval gunfire “logistical support”. Maybe that’s what you called it in your platoon when you were in the Army but in the real world, anything that goes “boom” and blows the enemies’ crap up isn’t “logistical”.
    As far as I know, those missions ended less than two weeks into the operation and since then U.S. operations have been restricted to logistical support for NATO forces. If you have information concerning U.S. units conducting combat operations, I would love to see it; you may just change my opinion.





    No comment.
    Apology accepted.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, anyone that doesn't know the difference between combat arms and support arms has zero knowledge of how any military works. The branches of arms have been around for centuries. It's nothing new and it hasn't changed.
    Actually, it's "combat arms" and "combat support arms". Just "support arms" as you attempt to use it is so infrequent that it is not readily understood in that way, and has more relevance as noted by others, that being more as part of a chair, or as a description (and command) as to how a weapon can be carried in a non-aiming position.

    I think you'd be better off with just "combat units" and "support units", or "logistical support" etc.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, anyone that doesn't know the difference between combat arms and support arms has zero knowledge of how any military works. The branches of arms have been around for centuries. It's nothing new and it hasn't changed.
    I see, you called me a hypocrite for no reason, came up with new definitions for "arms” to support your political blood thirst and I’m the one with zero knowledge of how the military works.

    I’ll let you wallow in the muddy hole you have dug. The Army produces some very talented intelligence personnel but you obviously don’t fit that class. Only grunts like you would refer to air sorties as “support arms” and most grunts easily recognize the difference between logistics and combat. You sure you were in the Army?


    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    As far as I know, those missions ended less than two weeks into the operation and since then U.S. operations have been restricted to logistical support for NATO forces. If you have information concerning U.S. units conducting combat operations, I would love to see it; you may just change my opinion.
    I see, you once again prove that you value your conclusions first and follow up by seeking evidence later. You also give evidence that your reading comprehension isn’t very good as I made clear that the first bomb dropped was unconstitutional. Who is the real hypocrite here apdst?

    If you trust that US attack missions ended 2 weeks into the operation, you are more of a tool than I thought. You have 2 more hours to redeem yourself from the dregs of political zombie because I won’t care what you post after 12:00 PST and won’t be available to respond.


    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Apology accepted.
    Obviously you have an integrity problem or a reading comprehension problem but if you are into mental masturbation, go for it.
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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    There are no US attack helicopters being utilized here. Take another look. I believe it is just British and French, though the other European NATO powers may have choppers in there as well.

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