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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    I'm confused... Wasn't Obama highly critical of Bush invading Iraq? But now isn't Obama part of a coalition invading Lybia?
    While I have no qualms about taking out the tyrant Qaddafi he atleast did what Saddam didn't do IE completely cooperate with weapons inspectors proving that he was not an existential threat so we can not even pretend this is a preemptive war.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    You will note, those are NATO attack helicopters, not US.
    So the USS Enterprise (CVN 65) must be a NATO carrier, not a US carrier too then right?

    "Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought."
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    It would seem that the constitution is just a god damn piece of paper, to be trotted out when expedient.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    Apples and oranges.

    Bush said Iraq had WMD, but Hans Blix went in and inspected and found NONE. Powell went to the UN, said Iraq had WMD, but Powell lied like the rest of the Bush admin. The problem with Iraq was not that we invaded, it was that we invaded under false pretense. Cheney irroneously tried to make the case that Iraq was linked to 9/11, but the 9/11 commission found "no collaborative relationship between Iraq and Al Qaeda".
    Your historical revisionsim aside what was Obama's excuse for war? Without the consent of Congress mind you.
    Last edited by Time Lord; 06-05-11 at 08:12 PM.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by Risky Thicket View Post
    I'm confused. Maybe that is the way it is for Independents. It seems to me that a hell of a lot of conservatives and Republicans were damn near joyous over Bush's invasion of Iraq and Afghanistan. Democrats, by and large, were opposed.
    As memory fades history changes, however, the facts remain the same, the majority of Democrats in bolth houses of Congress voted for bolth AUMF's and polling data indicates that most Americans (including Democrats) were in favor of bolth wars. Facts are stubborn things.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Sharp of you. But last I checked they were having a civil war, whereas in Iraq we created one.
    So intervention in civil wars are justified? On what grounds?

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by finebead View Post
    You are just wrong. It is NOT TRUE that liberals never support war. I know of NO substantive opposition to Bush I's war to throw Iraq out of Kuwait,
    (see Al Gore speech to congress circa 1992).
    Last edited by Time Lord; 06-05-11 at 08:27 PM.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by DaveFagan View Post
    Who's wasting time. USA is helping steal a little OIL and gets an IOU from UK and EURO nations and strengthens those same reserve banks. It always has a little something to do with banks, don't you think? Centralized Distribution - of OIL - of Money - etc.
    Got any docs that show that the U.S. is stealing oil? No? When you do, come see us.

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Try again:

    AgustaWestland Apache - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Really dude, are you so lazy you can't even google before posting?
    Stillballin and I discussed this...yesterday! Where the hell have you been? Are you so lazy that you can't even read the thread, before insulting other posters?

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    So we were wrong in WW2 to consider Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor an act of war because they didn’t put any boots on the ground?
    Obviously not, because Japanese combat forces were emplyed/deployed at Pearl Harbor. Do you understand the difference between combat arms and support arms?

    Please point to the law or court ruling or anything that so narrowly defines war using your definition. I would love to know upon what basis you reach such conclusions.
    "war", occurs when combat units go on the offensive. Period.



    Don’t attempt to lecture me on partisan hackery while you are acting like a Republican tool apdst, my allegiance is to the US Constitution and I can back my talk up with articles therein, SCOTUS rulings and quotes from the elected officials you seem to have sold you soul to.

    Let me offer the sinking of the USS Main (Spanish-American War), privateer attacks on U.S. shipping (Franco-American War), bombing of Pearl Harbor (World War II) and attacks on US destroyers in the Tonkin Gulf (Vietnam War) as examples that contradict your position and support mine. These are examples of what the US has considered acts of war even though they didn’t involve boots on the ground.

    To answer your question, the USS Kearsarge, USS Enterprise, USS Barry, USS Ponce, USS Stout, USS Providence, USS Scranton, USS Florida, USS Mount Whitney, USAF 48th Fighter Wing among many others are conducting attacks on Libya in the area of operations.
    You're accusing O'Bama of committing a crime that he hasn't committed and I'm the Republican tool?

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    Re: NATO Uses Attack Helicopters for First Time in Libya

    Quote Originally Posted by GPS_Flex View Post
    So the USS Enterprise (CVN 65) must be a NATO carrier, not a US carrier too then right?
    Enterprise is a part of the 6th Fleet, which has patrolled the Med for 40+ years now. Try again.

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