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    Re: John Edwards indicted by grand jury

    He has the right to privacy of this affair. If Americans also thought eating pickles made a bad candidate, then spending money on hiding pickle eating would be justified. Why? Because, pickle eating or legal sexual relations doesn't affect a person's ability to do politics or change their stance on issues. Americans got it coming if they want to add things into politics that don't matter, like private extra-marital affairs. At this point, Americans have decided it really is a political issue, which should be allowable to handle with political funds. It's all about political strategy to hide it. Hiding legal things is unfortunately not a crime, no harm done. But, hiding illegal things should be. This sex was legal. No harm done and it's sex in American is a politically related issue. When Americans get over their sexual hang ups, then we wouldn't see this nonsense spending.

    Another example of the judicial system during an economic crisis wasting effort on moral issues. We don't have the time or money to waste on this stupidity. Our energy needs to be spent on more pressing issues. When will government wake up?

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    Re: John Edwards indicted by grand jury

    I'm with Empire.

    Listen, the guy may be a douche in his personal life, but most politicians are.

    In short, there is no connection between his personal douchiness and his ability to lead. Therefore, it's none of our goddamn business and it's pretty pathetic really that we expend so many resources trying to hunt down where politicians stick their dicks.

    I want my tax dollars back. I frankly don't care where his dick's been. I care if he can lead. And the answers to those two questions aren't even in the same room.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MistressNomad View Post
    I'm with Empire.

    Listen, the guy may be a douche in his personal life, but most politicians are.

    In short, there is no connection between his personal douchiness and his ability to lead. Therefore, it's none of our goddamn business and it's pretty pathetic really that we expend so many resources trying to hunt down where politicians stick their dicks.

    I want my tax dollars back. I frankly don't care where his dick's been. I care if he can lead. And the answers to those two questions aren't even in the same room.
    Some people really amaze me. All you care about is his ability to lead? Sounds like the stuff I heard about Bill Clinton all over again. Try to think outside the box a little and ask yourself this question: If he screwed over his wife will he screw over me, someone he does not, or ever will know?

    What a trusting, naive soul you are. Oh, and by the way, the check's in the mail...
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    Re: John Edwards indicted by grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Some people really amaze me. All you care about is his ability to lead? Sounds like the stuff I heard about Bill Clinton all over again. Try to think outside the box a little and ask yourself this question: If he screwed over his wife will he screw over me, someone he does not, or ever will know?

    What a trusting, naive soul you are. Oh, and by the way, the check's in the mail...
    Yes, that's all I care about. Power and leadership ability is pretty negatively correlated with being a nice guy to know in real life. There is no reason for me to think being a douche in life leads to being a bad leader - historically the opposite is true.

    And no, I don't care. Because practically every good leader is a douchebag. And it's not my job to legislate his marriage, and I don't want to be paying for such a ridiculous thing.

    Has nothing to do with naivety, though thanks for you condescension. It's just that it doesn't matter.

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    Re: John Edwards indicted by grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Some people really amaze me. All you care about is his ability to lead? Sounds like the stuff I heard about Bill Clinton all over again. Try to think outside the box a little and ask yourself this question: If he screwed over his wife will he screw over me, someone he does not, or ever will know?

    What a trusting, naive soul you are. Oh, and by the way, the check's in the mail...
    He didn't screw over his wife. People have the right to do what they want with their body. The idea of human ownership supposedly ended with slavery in this country. I admit, it's nice when people can find the one and only perfect person that's so perfect, no one else turns them on. Unfortunately, this is not human nature as proven by divorce rates, not to mention all the boyfriends/girlfriends we all go through beforehand. If he had committed a crime against his wife, now you could say he screwed over his wife. But he didn't. He is just like 99% of most Americans, we've had more than one significant other in our lives. Wow! What a suprise! Was the first person you met the person you are with now? Have you ever fantasised about another? How is the act of actually carrying out a fantasy proof of harm to another? You will have to show how an orgasm with a later lover causes physical harm to a prior lover. I'm curioius how you will prove that one. Also, it is a socio-biological fact that men are designed for polygamy, as proven biolgoically and historically in society. It's no surprise they like more than one woman. It doesn't mean we need to consider it in a negative way. Jealously is a mental disorder.
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    Re: John Edwards indicted by grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by empireofreason View Post
    He didn't screw over his wife. People have the right to do what they want with their body. The idea of human ownership supposedly ended with slavery in this country. I admit, it's nice when people can find the one and only perfect person that's so perfect, no one else turns them on. Unfortunately, this is not human nature as proven by divorce rates, not to mention all the boyfriends/girlfriends we all go through beforehand. If he had committed a crime against his wife, now you could say he screwed over his wife. But he didn't. He is just like 99% of most Americans, we've had more than one significant other in our lives. Wow! What a suprise! Was the first person you met the person you are with now? Have you ever fantasised about another? How is the act of actually carrying out a fantasy proof of harm to another? You will have to show how an orgasm with a later lover causes physical harm to a prior lover. I'm curioius how you will prove that one. Also, it is a socio-biological fact that men are designed for polygamy, as proven biolgoically and historically in society. It's no surprise they like more than one woman. It doesn't mean we need to consider it in a negative way. Jealously is a mental disorder.
    So their wedding vows, which probably had clauses about honor, pledging faithfulness, and "until death do we part" has no meaning to you? So if you pledge these things to your wife as a condition of marriage and then have a child with another woman while you are still married, that's not screwing over your wife?

    Interesting concept; I can't wait for this reply...
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    Re: John Edwards indicted by grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    Some people really amaze me. All you care about is his ability to lead? Sounds like the stuff I heard about Bill Clinton all over again. Try to think outside the box a little and ask yourself this question: If he screwed over his wife will he screw over me, someone he does not, or ever will know?

    What a trusting, naive soul you are. Oh, and by the way, the check's in the mail...
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Newt ended his political career in a similar manner. The party is over for him as well.
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    Re: John Edwards indicted by grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by Μολὼν λαβέ View Post
    So their wedding vows, which probably had clauses about honor, pledging faithfulness, and "until death do we part" has no meaning to you? So if you pledge these things to your wife as a condition of marriage and then have a child with another woman while you are still married, that's not screwing over your wife?

    Interesting concept; I can't wait for this reply...
    The marriage vows you mention impose expectations on humans that have proven to be unrealistic. We say these vows with the best intentions, but the reality is, situations change in our lives, and we change. If you really love someone, you will want them to have the best things life can offer. That may not be you, so if you want them to be happy and you really love them, then let them go. They should feel the same for you. That's a realistic vow in life. Who's the naive one now?

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    Re: John Edwards indicted by grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by empireofreason View Post
    The marriage vows you mention impose expectations on humans that have proven to be unrealistic. We say these vows with the best intentions, but the reality is, situations change in our lives, and we change. If you really love someone, you will want them to have the best things life can offer. That may not be you, so if you want them to be happy and you really love them, then let them go. They should feel the same for you. That's a realistic vow in life. Who's the naive one now?
    This.

    I am so tired of people pretending the real problem here is "degredation of society." As though cheating and lying and miserable marriages were any less common back in the "good old days" before accessible divorce. No. People just stayed miserable longer. That's the only difference.

    Humans are not built for life-long commitment. We are too cerebral, too horny, and we live too long. The longer we're living the more obvious this is getting. We ARE built for empathy, but unfortunately people's expectations of "forever" sometimes over-rule their empathy, in favor of mutually misery, because doing the empathetic thing means they have to admit that things just don't work this way.

    Don't blame the system for your unrealistic expectations. The system is doing the best it can with a failed concept.
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