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    Re: John Edwards indicted by grand jury

    I will completely admit I have not done much reading on this whole topic. All I really knew is that there was a whole scandal with John Edwards cheating and then I heard much later she had died due to cancer. What I do not understand is why this matters legally? It was VERY wrong of him to cheat but why should we waste money and time on investigating how he cheated. People's personal live's aren't any of our business. As long as one can separate personal life from professional I do not see any reason why this should even make headlines!

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    I think my sports section should be a lot larger. And wheres the video game section??

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    Re: John Edwards indicted by grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    I will completely admit I have not done much reading on this whole topic. All I really knew is that there was a whole scandal with John Edwards cheating and then I heard much later she had died due to cancer. What I do not understand is why this matters legally? It was VERY wrong of him to cheat but why should we waste money and time on investigating how he cheated. People's personal live's aren't any of our business. As long as one can separate personal life from professional I do not see any reason why this should even make headlines!

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    The legal issue here is the disclosure of campaign funds. He used campaign donor money to cover up his personal mistakes and didn't disclose that. It's a felony, rules are rules.
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    Bifurcating victory (e.g. winning militarily, losing politically) is a useful salve for defeated armies. The "stab in the back" narrative helped take the sting out of failure for German generals after WWI and their American counterparts after Vietnam.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    The legal issue here is the disclosure of campaign funds. He used campaign donor money to cover up his personal mistakes and didn't disclose that. It's a felony, rules are rules.
    That makes sense to me but anytime anyone is found cheating the country is up in arms like he did something wrong to us. I barely remember the Clinton thing. I was middle school at the time I think. Did he do something politically or financially wrong? I remember people saying we should impeach him. For cheating? Again, I admit to not knowing everything but thats all I heard people saying at that age.

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    Re: John Edwards indicted by grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    That makes sense to me but anytime anyone is found cheating the country is up in arms like he did something wrong to us. I barely remember the Clinton thing. I was middle school at the time I think. Did he do something politically or financially wrong? I remember people saying we should impeach him. For cheating? Again, I admit to not knowing everything but thats all I heard people saying at that age.
    People went on a morality crusade with Clinton. He was questioned under oath regarding his affairs and lied, which is perjury. The impeachment was related to the perjury and the other findings of Ken Starr's report, but not the cheating on its own.
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    Re: John Edwards indicted by grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    That makes sense to me but anytime anyone is found cheating the country is up in arms like he did something wrong to us. I barely remember the Clinton thing. I was middle school at the time I think. Did he do something politically or financially wrong? I remember people saying we should impeach him. For cheating? Again, I admit to not knowing everything but thats all I heard people saying at that age.
    Well, I was only about 8 yrs old myself during the Clinton thing. But here's what I do know:

    The impeachment itself wasn't about Clinton's infidelity. It was for charges of perjury and obstruction of justice (basically being accused of lying to a grand jury).

    And the reason people tend to get up in arms about politicians doing these things is that people generally expect their leaders to behave like saints and to be role models, when in reality they are flawed human being just like the rest of us.
    Nobody who wins a war indulges in a bifurcated definition of victory. War is a political act; victory and defeat have meaning only in political terms. A country incapable of achieving its political objectives at an acceptable cost is losing the war, regardless of battlefield events.

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    All the same, it's nonsense. To paraphrase Vince Lombardi, show me a political loser, and I'll show you a loser.
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    Re: John Edwards indicted by grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    That makes sense to me but anytime anyone is found cheating the country is up in arms like he did something wrong to us. I barely remember the Clinton thing. I was middle school at the time I think. Did he do something politically or financially wrong? I remember people saying we should impeach him. For cheating? Again, I admit to not knowing everything but thats all I heard people saying at that age.
    Financially wrong? that is wajy the charges are about. As dar as I know only AZ jas a law against being a low life and committing adultery.

    Had you ever been cheated on by a long time spouse you trusted with your life you might understand why some of us feel so strongly about cheating scum bags.

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    Re: John Edwards indicted by grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by tessaesque View Post
    People went on a morality crusade with Clinton. He was questioned under oath regarding his affairs and lied, which is perjury. The impeachment was related to the perjury and the other findings of Ken Starr's report, but not the cheating on its own.
    Why was he even questioned about his affair in the first place. It is not our business. You can be a perfectly capable leader, teacher, etc even if you are a drug addicted prostitute on the side as long as you keep the two separate. He was wrong to lie about it but its just human to try and cover what you are ashamed of.

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    Re: John Edwards indicted by grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by Councilman View Post
    Financially wrong? that is wajy the charges are about. As dar as I know only AZ jas a law against being a low life and committing adultery.

    Had you ever been cheated on by a long time spouse you trusted with your life you might understand why some of us feel so strongly about cheating scum bags.
    I have been cheated on by a long time partner who I loved and trusted with my life and it sucked. But I don't want to send him to court or ruin his life/career for it.

    Also, try spell a little better that was somewhat difficult to read.

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    Re: John Edwards indicted by grand jury

    Quote Originally Posted by lovetosing4678 View Post
    Why was he even questioned about his affair in the first place. It is not our business. You can be a perfectly capable leader, teacher, etc even if you are a drug addicted prostitute on the side as long as you keep the two separate. He was wrong to lie about it but its just human to try and cover what you are ashamed of.
    I dunno the exact details, unfortunately. I was only about 10 or so when the whole thing went down. I just remember my uncle making us watch CNN every day during the impeachment hearings.
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